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Mga kabayan ask ko lang kung sino or saan ako puwedeng magtanong tungkol sa ampalaya planting. Kasi may 5500 sqm akong agri-land sa Laguna at plano ko na taniman ng ampalaya.
1. Ano po ba ang Variety ng ampalaya ang laging tinatanim?
2. Magkano po kaya ang magagastos ko na puhunan kung patataniman ko ang 5500 sqm na land ko?
3. Ilang days po ba bago mag harvest ang ampalaya?
4. Sabi po nag magtatanim sa akin ay kailangan ko daw ng 50 sacks of "ipot ng manok", just for a starter...totoo po ba eto?
Thanks in advance sa maitutulong ninyo sa akin. Mabuhay!
Please email me "alexxmariano@yahoo.com".

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Dear Alex:

Your query have been forwarded to our commodity specialist (Ms. Josefina Atienza) and this was her answer:

Mas makabubuti na alamin mo muna kung anong variety ang kalamitang itinatanim sa inyong lugar. Sa ganong paraan, ikaw ay makakatiyak na ito ang variety na tinatangkilik ng mga mamimili diyan sa inyo. Ukol naman sa pangalawa at pangatlo mong katanungan, maaari kang makakuha ng kaalaman sa pagtatanim ng ampalaya sa aming pinalimbag na “Ampalaya Production Guide”. Mangyari lamang na makipag-ugnayan ka sa Philippine Agriculture and Resources Research Foundation Inc. (PARRFI),  PCARRD, Los Baños, Laguna sa telepono 049-536-0014 to 15/17 to 20 loc. 216 o sa parrfioffice@pacific.net o parrfi@pcarrd.dost.gov.ph, para sa detalye ng pagbili at pagpapadala nito sa iyo.

Ukol naman sa paggamit ng tuyong ‘ipot ng manok” sa pagtatanim, hindi ito karaniwang kinakailangan.  Ngunit, makabubuti ang paggamit nito upang tumaas ang “organic matter” ng iyong lupa.

Lily

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Mam Lily,

Maraming salamat po sa tulong ninyo... Nagpadala na ako ng email sa parrfi@pcarrd.dost.gov.ph, pero ung parrfioffice@pacific.net ay hindi na ata gumagana kasi po bumabalik ang email ko.
Again thanks a lot at susunod na mga tanong ko po uli, Mabuhay!

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Dear Alex:

I called PARFFI regarding your email na bumalik. They were advice me to inform you to resend your email to parrfioffice@pacific.net..ph. Hindi na po nila kasi nabubuksan yung parrfi@pcarrd.dost.gov.ph.

Thanks

Lily

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lv.reyes wrote:

Dear Alex:

I called PARFFI regarding your email na bumalik. They were advice me to inform you to resend your email to parrfioffice@pacific.net..ph. Hindi na po nila kasi nabubuksan yung parrfi@pcarrd.dost.gov.ph.

Thanks

Lily

Mam Lily,

Napadala ko na ngayon ang email ko sa "parrfioffice@pacific.net.ph", Maraming Salamat po!

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To Alex
I cannot understand why nobody is advising you to grow mix crops of veggies instead of dedicating the whole area to ampalaya.  Sa mix cropping naturally mamiminimise ang pest and diseases. At kapag nag fail ka sa isa for sure ang ibang crop will success.  Also be careful using chicken manure, it is a good source of nitrogen and some micro nutrients but make sure it's about 6 months old para hindi masunog ang plants mo.

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alex,
I sent u a guide in planting ampalaya. Its almost complete, from selection of variety to pest and disease management..

About larsen's comment on mixed cropping, good management practice lang yan. The more divesified ang cropping mo is the more difficult to manage and labor intensive. What I can advise is you to plant different crop from different family one after another, not different crops at the same time.

About chicken dung..
its not necessary na patagalin mo ng 6mos ang chicken dung before u can apply it as fertilizer.. kailangan lang well composted ito and it doesn't take that long. Nasa tamang application din, u do not apply it right away (fresh), u let it dry first.

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ok din ampalaya plantation. dito sa problema yung insekto.

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sir, yan0_yan, can you send me the guide to planting amplaya also? thanks

luthgardo@yahoo.com



yan0_yan wrote:

alex,
I sent u a guide in planting ampalaya. Its almost complete, from selection of variety to pest and disease management..

About larsen's comment on mixed cropping, good management practice lang yan. The more divesified ang cropping mo is the more difficult to manage and labor intensive. What I can advise is you to plant different crop from different family one after another, not different crops at the same time.

About chicken dung..
its not necessary na patagalin mo ng 6mos ang chicken dung before u can apply it as fertilizer.. kailangan lang well composted ito and it doesn't take that long. Nasa tamang application din, u do not apply it right away (fresh), u let it dry first.

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luth,
ask alex..tnx
at kapag nasend na sayo, ikaw naman ang magsend s ibang nangangailangan..

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yan0_yan wrote:

alex,
I sent u a guide in planting ampalaya. Its almost complete, from selection of variety to pest and disease management..

About larsen's comment on mixed cropping, good management practice lang yan. The more divesified ang cropping mo is the more difficult to manage and labor intensive. What I can advise is you to plant different crop from different family one after another, not different crops at the same time.

About chicken dung..
its not necessary na patagalin mo ng 6mos ang chicken dung before u can apply it as fertilizer.. kailangan lang well composted ito and it doesn't take that long. Nasa tamang application din, u do not apply it right away (fresh), u let it dry first.


..just so gotta disagree..

..a mixed production does give some headaches in mangement but, assuming you're selling locally, it gives a weekly return with better prices per kilo, and seriously reduces risk, one crop and you get a pest/disease and you are so stuffed, one crop and all the beasties will come to you for dinner..

..and for chicken shit, just mix it with a good layer of cogon, or similar, one layer, thin of chicken muck, one layer, thick, of buffer and in 2 months you'll have excellent compost, and so great gulai..

..or sell the compost..

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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..but in answer to what i think was your question..

..ampalaya like any other of the gourd family needs a rich base, a pocket of nutrient to grow on, so dig a hole, mix the soil with a good base, like compost, cover with soil, plant the seed in the top-soil..

..a young seedling's roots should not touch the rich sub-layer, that'l burn the roots, that's for the stronger adult plant..

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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white rabbit,

better prices per kilo? how did u know?

..based on experience, to be able to compete and get good profit in the philippine traditional market one should produce more. In terms of management, laborers here are not good as you are to understand things and follow specific instructions. Otherwise, they most likely become scientists and not laborers if they got the brains..

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yan0_yan wrote:

white rabbit,

better prices per kilo? how did u know?

..based on experience, to be able to compete and get good profit in the philippine traditional market one should produce more. In terms of management, laborers here are not good as you are to understand things and follow specific instructions. Otherwise, they most likely become scientists and not laborers if they got the brains..


..practical experience..

..i can sell 'locally" at less than the cost of going to the central wholesale market, buying and shipping, and i deliver to the door..

..and no, you really misunderstand your workers, some might want to become scientists, but most just want to live locally, earn a living and feed their families. If YOU wish them to be good, then teach them, stop treating them as brain-dead morons...

..You had an education, they didn't, but so ? being able to read and write is not a proof of intelligence or ability, just a proof of a certain amount of schooling, nothing more, nothing less..

..at the risk of "not being considered nice", and certainly not wishing to save your "face", stop being so bloody arrogant, a good officer thinks 2 levels down from his rank, so should you...

..i thank you, i really do, for confirming something i suspected, an attitude problem, which i am already doing my best to overcome by writing a book, on how to Market Garden in 'my" valley, lotsa pictures, simple words, and, oh yes, and, an obligatory on-going training course for all, including me, one half day per week spent in "class"...

..it'l work with some, the others, shrug, it's a hard world, i still gotta make a profit..

..the end result should be 'my' valley earns a living, and i'l be a happy bunny, i do find that under-nourished children just soooooo spoil the view, don't you ?

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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Hi Y,

You said:

"Otherwise, they most likely become scientists and not laborers if they got the brains."

From someone who seems to be a cooperative leader, your remarks reveal a tendency to want to merely exploit low cost mindless labor.

Kaya tayo siguro di mabilis umunlad...kasi they "otherwise" become hindi na laborers kundi, wise entrepreneurs like you. :)

cct

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..tsk tsk

cct, awr,  I understand your point sirs but its practically a field experience..u employ laborers not to exploit them but give them a chance to learn.. A simple instruction is a point of learning, pero most of the time they reject this as a challenge. ang ginagawa lang ay kung ano ang komportable sa kanila..its this kind of attitude ang dahilan kung bakit hindi tayo umunlad..

fyi, i am refering to a case study kung bakit hindi nagiging successful ang mga livelihood training/seminars at iba pang mga developmental projects na pinagsisikapang puhunanan ng kooperatiba. Ang mga ganitong pag-aaral ay nagsisilbing tool para maintindihan namin ang attitute ng ating mga magsasaka at kung anong posibleng approach ang gawin para maging katanggaptangap ang mga proyekto ng kooperatiba para sa mga myembro nito..(dahil nasasayang lang ang developmental fund ng koop kung walang positive output!)

..and yes, it all boils down to entrpreneurship and we need to be wise entrepreneurs. otherwise di ba lalo tayong hindi uunlad?

..at hindi ko na kailangang magmayabang, u said it yourself na ang kooperatiba namin ay maunlad. Marami nang koop ang bumagsak at dumarami pa ang bumabagsak. Bakit kaya? Mi umuunlad, pero bakit hindi  nila paunlarin pa? i leave u that question sir cct.

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"..........not laborers if they got the brains"
what I mean of brains is developmental way of thinking.. yung bang iniisip mo kung pano ka aasenso sa buhay at kung ano ang mga kailangang gawin para makamit ito. gets?

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yan0_yan wrote:

white rabbit,

better prices per kilo? how did u know?

..based on experience, to be able to compete and get good profit in the philippine traditional market one should produce more. In terms of management, laborers here are not good as you are to understand things and follow specific instructions. Otherwise, they most likely become scientists and not laborers if they got the brains..

..reality check

mapalad ang mga nsa mauunlad na bayan kagaya ng bayan ni kuneho..ang laborers nila ay filipino scientists.

..tsk tsk tsk

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Greetings;

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Good Day. Anyone there can share any literature about ampalaya, sitao and siling (panigang) production. Thanks!!!

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eto po email add ko
cougar_jeff2005@yahoo.co.uk
looking forward po. tnxs

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Re: Ampalaya planting

Dear Alex:
Ayan tuloy nag away na sila sa topic na gusto mo. Anyway, about ampalaya production, 5500 sqm is enough for trial. In our farm we tried planting about 475 seeds of hybrid ampalaya called Galaxy, which is being distributed by East-West Seed. One small can of seed cost Php1,120, it contains about 480 pcs of seed. Ang estimate na gastos mga Php 10,000. You have to make trellis/balag plus fertilizer and pesticides. In two months time or even much earlier, you can have your first harvest.

You need to have plenty of water and watch out for pest, like kuto, pagong pagong at ung uod na berde kumakain ng dahon. Critical na mapa abot mo sa ibabaw ng balag ang usbong ng ampalaya para magbigay ng madami na bunga. Pwede ka na mag harvest every 4-5days after your first harvest.

Sa lahat ng low land vegetables, I think ampalaya has the more stable price per kilo kaya maganda at hindi bumababa tulad ng talong at okra. Because, not all farmers would like to plant ampalaya because of very expensive inputs, which most of them can not afford.

Jimboy

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..it's a stable price plant, very popular, yes it has it's pests but simple, so it appears , methods combat this, wrapping in banana leaf ?..s'ok, we live and learn, at least i do Yan0...

..plant the seed over a pocket of compost, say two to three inches between the seed and a well-mixed pocket of soil and compost, young roots burn so easily..

..it's slow to produce, but once in production is a fine yielder, and it sells real easy..

..NB, i'm 1500 ft up in the hills, so don't take what i say as gospel..

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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yan0_yan wrote:

..tsk tsk

cct, awr,  I understand your point sirs but its practically a field experience..u employ laborers not to exploit them but give them a chance to learn.. A simple instruction is a point of learning, pero most of the time they reject this as a challenge. ang ginagawa lang ay kung ano ang komportable sa kanila..its this kind of attitude ang dahilan kung bakit hindi tayo umunlad..

fyi, i am refering to a case study kung bakit hindi nagiging successful ang mga livelihood training/seminars at iba pang mga developmental projects na pinagsisikapang puhunanan ng kooperatiba. Ang mga ganitong pag-aaral ay nagsisilbing tool para maintindihan namin ang attitute ng ating mga magsasaka at kung anong posibleng approach ang gawin para maging katanggaptangap ang mga proyekto ng kooperatiba para sa mga myembro nito..(dahil nasasayang lang ang developmental fund ng koop kung walang positive output!)

..and yes, it all boils down to entrpreneurship and we need to be wise entrepreneurs. otherwise di ba lalo tayong hindi uunlad?

..at hindi ko na kailangang magmayabang, u said it yourself na ang kooperatiba namin ay maunlad. Marami nang koop ang bumagsak at dumarami pa ang bumabagsak. Bakit kaya? Mi umuunlad, pero bakit hindi  nila paunlarin pa? i leave u that question sir cct.


..that is not what you said, s'ok, nothing personal, you gave me a perspective that unfortunately fits the model i have before me. S'ok, i've seen the "sullen, follow the instructions, nothing more" attitude too, they don't last long...

..learn or leave, simple really, and yes, i bite...

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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Hi Y, AWR, others,

I truly enjoy exchange of ideas and specially those exchanges on conflicting ideas because these are never personal nor taken personally, but because we are all seeking better ways.

We come into this forum with our personal biases. I like and am a member of several cooperatives and I admire what both SIDC, Limcoma and Caffmaco have done.

I have been occasionally researching cooperatives and livelihood projects since the mid 1980s.

Attitudes which are really difficult to change and are generally unseen at the beginning are the toughest barriers to progress. I have seen projects fail due to unrecognized negative or uncaring attitudes.

My own attitude now is give them an education/training/project buffet/menu and they choose what they find tasty, digestible and maybe they will want to do their own cooking and find the resources to create successful projects of their own. Progress in this country seems to take generations.

But each one of us has his own idea of what constitutes economic progress. The progress I am looking for are in the area of industrial manufacturing. Feedmilling and meat processing are industrial production projects. But it seems to me that AWR is exploring less industrial processes and is looking to more natural farming methods.

Ordinary less educated farmers can relate to indrustrial processes if well explained to them. But who has the time to explain?

So we all do what we can and enjoy whatever progress is possible in a setting where resources and information are at very low levels.

I would be happy to read what success a white rabbit has achieved, in the organic methods and what output he gets per 100 square meters of gardeni area. I would also enjoy to see how far SoroSoro Ibaba Development Cooperative (SIDC) have come.

A diocesan priest in Cebu is developing an organic farm and the project is now having some income from cut flowers (large roses, anthurium, etc) and organic vegetables. The organic farm is located in barangay Sirao in Cebu City. Many of the workers are the ones least likely to succeed, former Muntinlupa inmates and paroled prisoners. The place is call Pagasa sa Paglaya (PSP organic farm).

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..to cct..

..you have to educate your workers, farming is really very complicated, a science that's also an art, and a gut-feel thing, what you don't need on your fields are robots..

..but you do have to be hard, they learn or leave..

..make the learning as easy as possible tho, simple pictures, simple cartoon-like instructions, it's good for you too, at least i've found it so, to simplify what i know to cross language, racial and cultural barriers,at least  it did me good, it makes me re-look at my learning and experience, and it makes me get up-to-date, inter-net access modern..

..btw not 100 sq m, 1 sq m, as in "is the 9 sq m needed for a lubi, as productive as the same land under radish ? "..

..am i following a less industrial path, i'm not sure, i have to work with what i have, and, this is personal, i find serious poverty really spoils the view and puts me off my morning coffee, so i'd like to see 'my' valley productive and comfortable and to do this, i have to use methods that all can do/afford, and organic, or semi-organic, is far easier to reach than industrial..

..successes ? i mostly cover my monthly costs after 1 year, expansion not included, we shift everything we grow and our clients demand more, we're expanding into new ground at a steady pace, and my workers have started producing for themselves, given that it takes 5 years to get stable on a farm, and i had a 4 month enforced time-out thru illness, s'looking good..

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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Hi a white rabbit and all

the two most interesting sentences i have seen this week:

"our clients demand more, we're expanding into new ground at a steady pace,"

"and my workers have started producing for themselves,"

interesting because after solving the production problem, there will be excess production and the problem becomes a selling and transportation problem to dispose of excess production. with a glut, prices fall and incomes are lower.

before this point is reached, some preparatory activity needs to be started.

the philosophical question, in a country with high levels of poverty...what do producers do with their excess production seeing that the producers received free inputs.

but there will be days in this land of year round summer when production will be low, those with savings will be able to have food, those without will go hungry.

poverty, is it just a personal problem or also a community problem?

:)

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cct wrote:

Hi a white rabbit and all

the two most interesting sentences i have seen this week:

"our clients demand more, we're expanding into new ground at a steady pace,"

"and my workers have started producing for themselves,"

interesting because after solving the production problem, there will be excess production and the problem becomes a selling and transportation problem to dispose of excess production. with a glut, prices fall and incomes are lower.

before this point is reached, some preparatory activity needs to be started.

the philosophical question, in a country with high levels of poverty...what do producers do with their excess production seeing that the producers received free inputs.

but there will be days in this land of year round summer when production will be low, those with savings will be able to have food, those without will go hungry.

poverty, is it just a personal problem or also a community problem?

:)


..oh poverty's a personal problem, it offends me, it's on my doorstep so i'll change it..

..as to transportation, cooommme on, i'm a European, i can organise and afford that, when we've got the market for one population center, we go for the next one on the map, guess we'll get to Digos sometime in 2012, s'a long road up the coast..

..as for periods of low production, nahh, why ? if i'm organising the valley then we can arrange things to ensure both production and income. Investement sometimes means plastic piping, s'ok, it'll come back in profit..

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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a white rabbit,

very interesting forecast.

hope you and your filipino farmer partners succeed in improved productivity and increased sales as a unified group.

livestock farmers in batangas organized themselves into a cooperative, established their own feedmill, moved into meat processing and are now marketing directly into the metro manila area as a cooperative. fyi.

europeans do seem to be good organizers but many filipinos also do well as organizers.

:)

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a white rabbit,

very interesting forecast.

hope you and your filipino farmer partners succeed in improved productivity and increased sales as a unified group.

livestock farmers in batangas organized themselves into a cooperative, established their own feedmill, moved into meat processing and are now marketing directly into the metro manila area as a cooperative. fyi.

europeans do seem to be good organizers but many filipinos also do well as organizers.

:)

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..those livestock farmers in batangas are now experiencing problems in sustaining their production and threatened to stop operation 5 to 10 years from now if farmers resist to adopt fully utilize technologies on waste management systems..

..the coop and LGU imposes sunctions for those who will not comply. It was disappointing that some of the farmers complied and invested into a waste management system only to avoid sunctions and not because they recognize the threat of the old system to the environment and to their livelihood.

really it is happening, minsan hindi mo maisip kung papano ito nangyayari..
na binigyan mo na ng sangkatutak na paliwanag, in the end babalik pa rin sa dati.
mapapatawa ka na lang..

ano ba dapat ang gawin para sustained ang magandang production at pag-asenso ng ating mga farmers (sa farmer level)?

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..the right idea, and the wrong methods..

..we can't reasonably hope to survive, as a country, if we kill the world around us, and not so "around" us..

..my land is bordered by a river that eventually flows out by Gen San, it amuses, or rather it used to amuse my guys, now, they see the map they begin to realise, our top-soil loss means serious flooding in GenSan, and we get to be responsible for wiping out a city...sooooo coooooolllll...

..s'ok, they aren't stupid, they do know it's a slight exageration, it just takes a while to get used to an English sense of humour...

..toodA irmAB moastly 'exper'mentin'

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sir, yan0_yan, can you send me the guide to planting amplaya also? thanks
cougar_jeff2005@yahoo.co.uk

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sir yan0_yan, moderator

sir/madam ok lng po kaya ang half hectare para magtanim ng kamatis o baka po may advice kayo ma mas maganda dun, sa San Pablo Laguna location ko mainit na din klima dun eh, sana po mkpgbigay din kayo ng mga expert advice, salamat po

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i like different points of view.
like smorgasboard or buffet from different regions

i like ilocano pinakbet and visayan laswa, simply cooked veggies.

lets have more veggies in our diets.

i like upo and patola, i do not like european/american style salads too expensive for my taste and requires oil and vinegar instead of bagoong and calamansi.

I like lots of fresh tomatoes in my spaghetti sauce...learned it from a german married to sister of my wife. we call the kantuser sauce.

i like camote leaves boiled with sliced tomatoes with bagoong and calamansi.

mabuhay and mga vegetable farmers/garderners who plant organically. no pesticides into our bodies.

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hi greencard,

perhaps local advice is best starting with your city/municipal agriculturist.

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Hi everyone!

To greencard and others located in region4- You can get good advice on different veggies from the beureau of plant industry office in los banos.yung nasa baba ng pcarrd.may people assigned sila for specific gulays like talong and kamatis.

if you encounter problems with pests and diseases,the people from RCPC4(same compound) will be glad to help.I had problems with our ampalaya and talong recently and their plant pathologist and entomologist both helped me.those guys were really helpful!

Those guys in RCPC4 also gave out trichogramma(a type of small wasp) cards for free to help contol the borer population in our gulayan.they really encourage farmers to use natural means of pest and disease control.Reklamo nila wala daw masyado nag-aadopt ng mga ganitong technologies kasi most of the farmers here prefer to use chemicals.matitigas ang ulo.konting kulisap na makita,spray agad ng pesticide.I guess it's really hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

I fully understand where sir Yan0_yan is coming from.I'm often met with skepticism from our farmers when I introduced new things like using an insect to contol another insect or using Indigenous microorganism in the farm.medyo tyagaan lang sa pag-explain.

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batongero,

thanks sa tip sir, i'll do it,
sa tingin ko po farmers deserve to be called new heroes na din like ofw's
kung wala kayong mga farmers wala kaming pagkain, after sometime gusto ko din maging magsasaka hehe ayaw ko ng buhay d2 sa maynila haha see you soon guys!

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yan0_yan wrote:

alex,
I sent u a guide in planting ampalaya. Its almost complete, from selection of variety to pest and disease management..

About larsen's comment on mixed cropping, good management practice lang yan. The more divesified ang cropping mo is the more difficult to manage and labor intensive. What I can advise is you to plant different crop from different family one after another, not different crops at the same time.

About chicken dung..
its not necessary na patagalin mo ng 6mos ang chicken dung before u can apply it as fertilizer.. kailangan lang well composted ito and it doesn't take that long. Nasa tamang application din, u do not apply it right away (fresh), u let it dry first.


Mga kapatid!


Sir Yano & Others na meron na po reading materials for ampalaya planting baka po pwd maka hingi rin ng reading materials nyo for ampalaya planting..
pa send nalang po (zenki1977@yahoo.com)

Salamat po!

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I interviewed a friend who had planted ampalaya years ago, and so far he I got very positive feedback. I am still finding a way to "lakbay-aral" some ampalaya farmers in Cavite, but no firm schedule yet. I wonder if there is a reader who can share some actual experience. I plan to try planting several square meters with ampalaya as soon as weather permits.

Another thing: is anyone there "well versed" in using the PCCARD(?) data base. I find it difficult to access despite "nag member" na ako.

thanks.

farmer cruz