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hmm. .. mga guys.. pag nag 20 na rin ako.. cgurado.. mag mixer na rin ako... tulad ng mga ginagawa nyo

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better start now mixing your basic feeds so that you will gain the experience while you grow the number of heads in your farm. mahirap magpataba ng baka or kambing kung aasa ka lang sa pastolan.

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sir ross,

ano po ang kadalasan na ingredent sa pag gawa ng self mix feed?

pwede po bang mag pa send ng sample? salamat po..

shingfu_yao@yahoo.com.ph

salamat po..

s w i n e
             > perfect  wink lets find a way to eliminate proverty
p i g

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Ang available na feeds ingredients are:

darak
yellow corn
fish meal
soya bean meal
copra meal

Yung mga commercial piggery and poultry (egg production) farms are now using bokashi (fermented organic materials).

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sir ross, ano po ba ang tamang amount nang molasses ang e mix ko sa aking 50kg self mix formula? na obsreve ko kasi parang ayaw nang baboy sa sobrang matamis. tnx po

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if your soya is meron na sugar, di mo kailangan pa siguro mag halo ng molasses. Magtatae ang mga baboy mo pag sobra ang molasses dahil iinom ng iinom ng tubig ang mga alaga mo.

Ang purpose kaya nilalagyan ng molasses ang feed mix is to enhance its palatability. Meron kasi feed ingredients na di palatable sa baboy such as copra meal.

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yes sir, incase sa copra meal and ricebran mixture of 50kg. gaano karaming molasses i mix?

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1/2 kg lang ang style ng pag mix ng molasses ay tunawin mo sa mainit na tubig para di masyado malapot then imix mo sa 4 kg na copra meal. Once fully coated na ang 4 kg copra meal saka mo ihalo sa total feed mix.

the same style ang paghahalo ng crude coco oil sa total mix. Ang copra meal ay mabilis magabsorb ng liquid kaya ito ang feed ingredient na ginagamit when mixing ingredients in liquid form.

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salamt sir, ur the best!

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Monogastric Production
Swine Section

Feeding and Management of Swine





Nutrient Requirements of Swine

    * Energy
    * Protein (amino acids)
    * Vitamins
    * Minerals
    * Water






Energy

    * Pigs, as a general rule, eat to satisfy their energy requirements.
    * So, how much feed will a G-F pig eat?
    * Answer: about 5% of body weight.
    * Actually feed intake, as a percent of body weight, decreases as live weight increases.






Expected feed intake for
G-F pigs

    * Baby pigs (5-10 kg) = 460 gms/d (6%)
    * Pigs (10-20 kg) = 950 gms/d (6%)
    * Pigs (20-50 kg) = 1,900 gms/d (5.4%)
    * Pigs (50-100 kg) = 3,110 gms/d (3.9%)
    * So how much feed will a 250 lb hog consume? 250 lbs. x .04 = 10 lbs/d






What are the two major functions associated with energy?

    * Growth
    * Maintenance
    * Maintenance requirements are related to body weight to the พ power which is more commonly referred to as ‘Metabolic Body Weight.’






Example of computing DEm

    * Digestible energy (DE) requirement for a 300 lb versus a 400 lb sow
    * DE = 100 kcal of DE/kg of body weight.75
    * 300 lb sow/2.2 = 136 kg
    * 136 kg.75 = 39.8 kg
    * 39.8 kg x 100 kcal/kg = 3980 kcal






Computing DEM continued

    * 400 lb sow/2.2 = 181 kg
    * 181 kg.75 = 49.3 kg
    * 49.3 kg x 100 kcal/kg = 4930 kcal
    * So, the estimated amount of DE for maintenance is: 3980 kcal vs 4930 kcal for the 300 lb versus the 400 lb sow.






Feed required for maintenance

    * Assume the feed (primarily corn) to contain 3500 kcal of DE per kilogram.
    * 3980 kcal/3500 kcal = 1.14 kg of feed
    * 4930 kcal/3500 kcal = 1.40 kg of feed
    * Essentially 2.5 lbs vs 3.0 lbs of feed
    * So, the 400 lbs sow who is 133% of the weight of the 300 lbs sow requires 20% more feed for maintenance than the 300 lbs sow


Energy feeds for swine


    * What is the most common energy feed for swine in the Midwest?
    * Corn
    * What would be the second most common energy feed for swine?
    * Milo also referred to as grain sorghum.






What are some other energy feeds for pigs?

    * Oats
    * Barley
    * Wheat






Protein (AA) Requirements 

    * Actually pigs require essential amino acids rather than protein per se.
    * What is an amino acid? A compound that consists of a carbon chain with a carboxyl group and one or more amine (NH2) groups.
    * Pigs require 10 EAA






Let’s define an EAA

    * Essential amino acids are those amino acids that must be added to the pig’s diet because they either cannot be synthesized by the pig or cannot be synthesized in large enough quantities to meet the pig’s daily requirement.






You should know the 10 EAA required by the pig

    * Phenylalanine
    * Valine
    * Threonine
    * Methionine
    * Arginine
    * Tryptophan
    * Histidine
    * Isoleucine
    * Leucine
    * Lysine






Tips for memorizing these 10 essential amino acids

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What amino acid is the first limiting a.a. in a corn-soy diet?

    * Lysine
    * Let’s define ‘first-limiting amino acid.’
    * The first limiting amino acid is that amino acid that is present in the least amount compared to the pig’s daily requirement.
    * Hence, the pig can only grow as fast as the availability of the 1st limiting amino acid.






Something you need to know about cereal grains

    * Cereal grains (corn, oats, wheat, etc) as a rule are deficient in protein or more specifically in amino acids.
    * Lysine requirement for a 40 lb pig is approximately .95% of the diet.
    * Corn contains .25% lysine.






Protein supplement

    * Since swine diets consist primarily of cereal grains they need to be supplemented with a protein feed in order to enable optimum performance.
    * What is the protein supplement of choice?
    * Soybean meal (SBM) which contains 2.9-3.1% lysine or 44 – 48% CP.






Other protein feeds

    * Other plant and animal proteins are often used in combination with SBM.
    * Fishmeal (60-70% CP)
    * Milk products, such as dried skimmed milk (33% CP) and dried whey (13.3% CP)
    * Meat and bone meal (50% CP)
    * Spray dried plasma protein and bloodmeal (86% CP)






Balancing the Diet

    * Pigs generally will do fair job of balancing their own diet if given the opportunity.
    * However, if we allow the pig to select various feeds free choice (cafeteria style) the pig may not do a very good job of with respect to economic efficiency (cost).
    * Therefore, producers almost always feed a balance diet that is premixed to contain just the right amount of required nutrients.






Let’s balance a diet for a G-F pig 

    * Steps required for diet formulation include:
    * 1) Determine the nutrient requirements for the particular class of pigs to be fed.
    * 2) Determine the nutrient content of the feeds to be fed.
    * 3) Determine the amount of each feedstuff needed to meet the pig’s nutrient requirements.






Common methods use to formulate a diet

    * Pearson Square
    * Algebraic Method
    * Assume you are going to formulate a 16% C.P. corn soy diet for growing pigs.
    * Assume the C.P. content for corn and SBM to be 8.8 and 44.0%, respectively.






Steps for the Pearson Square

    * Place the C.P. content of one feedstuff (corn) on the upper left corner of the square.
    * Place the C.P. content of the other feedstuff (SBM) on the lower left corner of the square.
    * Place the amount of C.P. the diet is to contain in the center of the square.
    * Substract diagonally the larger number from the smaller.






Pearson Square continued

    * 16.0 – 8.8 = 7.2 parts
    * 44.0 – 16.0 = 28.0 parts
    * The feedstuffs on the left corners needs to be transferred laterally to the right corners; hence, on the upper right 28.0 parts refers to parts of corn and on the lower right 7.2 parts refers to parts of SBM.







Pearson Square continued

    * Next divide parts of corn by total parts (28.0/35.2) and parts of SBM by total parts (7.2/35/2) and multiply each answer by 100.
    * The answers you obtain refer to percentage of corn and SBM respectively needed in the diet to provide 16% C.P.
    * So, the diets should contain 79.6 lbs. of corn and 20.4 lbs. of SBM per 100 lbs. in order to provide 16.0 lbs. of crude protein.






Pearson Square continued

    * Once you have formulated the diet you should check your answer to be certain the diet is correct.
    * Here is the check:

    79.6 lbs. of corn x .088 = 7.00 lbs of C.P.

    20.4 lbs. of SBM x .44 = 8.98 lbs of C.P.

100.0 lbs. of diet  = 15.98 lbs C.P.






Minerals

    * Macro minerals:
    * Calcium (Ca)
    * Phosphorus (P)
    * Sodium (Na)
    * Chlorine (Cl)






Micro (Trace) Minerals

    * Iron (Fe)
    * Iodine (I)
    * Copper (Cu)
    * Manganese (Mn)
    * Zinc (Zn)
    * Selenium (Se)






    * Salt is generally added to complete feeds at .25 to .50% of the diet.






Vitamins

    * Fat soluble vitamins
    * Vitamin A
    * Vitamin D
    * Vitamin E
    * Vitamin K






Water soluble (B) vitamins

    * Riboflavin
    * Niacin
    * Pantothenic Acid
    * Choline
    * Vitamin B12






    * Swine producers formulating their own diets routinely use vitamin and mineral premixes.






Water

    * Water is a very important nutrient.
    * Deprivation of water will cause salt poisoning and death.
    * Water restriction can also significantly reduce performance.
    * A rule-of-thumb regarding water consumption is a 3:1 ratio of water consumption to dry matter intake.






How much water should a 200 lb pig consume per day?

    * ?? Daily feed intake (200 lbs x .04 = 8 lbs of feed)
    * 8 lbs of feed x 3 = 24 lbs of water
    * 24 lbs of water/8.0 = 3 gal of water/d.






Terms to know:

    * Ration = the amount of feed an animal will be given in 24 hours.
    * Diet = kind and amount of feeds in a complete feed.
    * Ad libitum = animal is given free access to all the feed it can eat.
    * Limit-fed = animal is restricted on the amount of feed fed.






Feed Additives


    * Non nutritive ingredients routinely added to the diet by swine producers.
    * Antibiotics
    * Anthelmintics
    * Growth promotant






Antibiotics


    * Antibiotics are compounds produced by microorganisms that inhibit the growth of other microorganisms.
    * Tylan, CSP250 and Carbadox.






Anthelmintics

    * Anthelmintics are dewormers
    * Pyrantel tartrate
    * Dichlorvos
    * Ivermectin






Growth promotant

    * Paylean






Why do swine producers use feed additives?

    * To increase growth rate (ADG)
    * To improve feed efficiency (F/G)
    * To decrease mortality and morbidity caused by disease.
    * To improve the composition in the carcass (decrease fat content; increase lean content).






Feeding the Breeding Herd

    * Sows and gilts are generally hand-fed 4 to 5 lbs/hd/d during the first 2/3 of gestation.
    * Fed 6 to 7 lbs/hd/d during the last 1/3 of gestation.
    * Self-fed (ad libitum) during lactation.

A good rule-of-thumb is to feed 4 lbs + 1 lb/pig nursed.






Flushing


    * Flushing refers to an increased level of feeding (6-7 lbs/d) two weeks before breeding until one week after breeding.
    * Flushing results in an increase in litter size as a result of an increase in ovulation rate.






Gestation gain

    * During gestation gain should be limited to approximately:

    30-60 lbs for sows (.5 lb/d)

    70-100 lbs for gilts (.75 lb/d)






What about forage for swine?

    * Gestating and lactating sows make the best use of pasture as compared to other classes of swine.
    * However, remember most swine today are raised in total confinement.
    * Hence, pasture (forage) is not used to any great extent in swine production today.






What kind of forage makes the best hog pasture?

    * Small grains such as wheat, oats, barley and rye.
    * Legumes such as alfalfa, ladino clover and red clover.






When do swine producers add fiber to the diet?

    * Swine producers often add fiber to the gestation diet just prior to farrowing and/or during lactation.
    * Bulky (high fiber) feeds such as oats, wheat bran or beet pulp are added to the ration to prevent constipation.






Do herd boars get special feed?

    * Generally speaking herd boars are simply fed a gestation diet.
    * Young developing boars may be fed a diet that is higher in macro minerals (Ca and P) than the standard gestation diet.






Feeding the suckling pig

    * Baby pigs will start to eat a creep feed by 7-10 d of age.
    * Creep feeding is not a very common practice today as compared to the past.
    * Creep and starter feeds are often in pellet or crumble form.






Feeding the Growing-Finishing Pig (G-F)

    * G-F hogs are typically self-fed a complete mixed diet formulated to meet all of their daily nutrient requirements.
    * In the midwest the typical GF diet is corn and soybean meal based and includes added Ca and P plus added vitamins and trace minerals.
    * Many grower diets will also contain an antibiotic.






Feeding the G-F pig 

    * Historically speaking, another method of feeding the G-F pig was referred to as “free choice.”
    * Free choice refers to providing free access to grain and a protein supplement separately.
    * Free choice allowed the pig to balance his own diet.



ang hirap??????????????????????

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mga sir, pwed po humingi nang nutritional analysis nang mga available rat mat in the market kung ano meroon kayo. ex. yellow corn grits,corn bran,rice bran,flour,pollard,copra meal,soy meal,fish meal, molasses. ang mahal kasi mag pa analyze eh. this could help me a lot because im really bent on mixing my own feeds for hogs

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hello im a new member po im a hog raiser from la union naghahanap po ako ng makakatulong sa akin para sa formula ng paggawa ng feeds thanks  jaz e-mail me sa jmvtincj@yahoo.com

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bananaman007 wrote:

mga sir, pwed po humingi nang nutritional analysis nang mga available rat mat in the market kung ano meroon kayo. ex. yellow corn grits,corn bran,rice bran,flour,pollard,copra meal,soy meal,fish meal, molasses. ang mahal kasi mag pa analyze eh. this could help me a lot because im really bent on mixing my own feeds for hogs

SEARCH MO NALANG SA INTERNET SIR. MAKUHA PA CORRECT RATION AND  INCLUSION RATE PER FEED INGREDIENT. YOU CAN ALSO SEARCH IN THE INTERNET BASIC SELF FEED MIXING.

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bananaman007 wrote:

mga sir, pwed po humingi nang nutritional analysis nang mga available rat mat in the market kung ano meroon kayo. ex. yellow corn grits,corn bran,rice bran,flour,pollard,copra meal,soy meal,fish meal, molasses. ang mahal kasi mag pa analyze eh. this could help me a lot because im really bent on mixing my own feeds for hogs

huwag po sana kayong magalit... pero sa tutuo lang po, hindi ko po kayo ma-encourage na magmix ng sariling feeds ng alaga ninyo.... kasi hindi po ninyo nare-realize na ang pagpapa-analyze ng bawat ingredient at ang finished feed product ay napaka importanteng bahagi para magkapag gawa kayo ng isang magandang feeds.

halos lahat po ng mga nameet at nakilala ko na farm or feedmill owner na ganyan ang pananaw ay hindi po naging successful sa pag-gawa ng isang magandang uri ng feeds na tunay na nakapagpapalaki ng kanilang livestock.  madalas po ay sila ang mga farmers/feedmillers na unang nalulugi dahil sa maling pagtitipid.

:(

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sir irwin, may kaibigan kasi ako na malaking trader nang raw mat, sila po nag susupply nang raw mat sa producer feeds and green hills dito sa cebu. ang kanila pong mga raw mat ay high quality and they are very reliable bcoz they have maintain and expand their business for the past 30 yrs. pwed po kasi ako mka kuha sa kanila nang murang raw mat plus da soya pulp dat im using right now. my plan right now is ipa analyze sa D.A yung soya pulp at cguro magpa tulong nang isang animal nutritionist kahit bayaran ko ang PF nya pra mka formulate nang magandang feeds. ang aking idea po kasi sa ganitong negosyo ay d bale na mahirap at magastos sa una basta it will benefit me more in the future. sa ngayong nag aalaga ako nang 10 pigs. ginagawa kong guinea pigs pra ma experiment ko yung formulatin ko. ewan ko sir, mahilig talaga ako sa challenge.hehehhehe. whatever my formulation will b, i know it will not b as good as those commercial pro sa akin lng mka babawi ako nang overhead expense sa feeds. im glad that u had shared ur opinon to me, nkakatulong po. and besides, yung mga commercial feeds dba may mga antibiotic na yun, gusto ko kasi organic atsaka fermented feeds. mkaka tulong pa po ako sa kalikasan at sa aking mga mahihirap na mamayan. I plan to buy dried ipil2x,kakawete and other legumes sa mga kababayan namin sa probincya na wlang trbaho. at least may income na sila by just collecting this indegenous plant around them.

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bananaman007,

I salute you for your vision in going into basic feed mix by using locally available raw mat. Creating local employment to your community is one aspect that should always be given special attention. It may be a meager income but mabuti kesa walang income.

The chemical composition of all feed ingredients are available in the internet, we are now living in information age.

Just as an example, we were thought that soya bean meal is the best and cheapest source of protein by someone. But if you compare soya with malunggay seeds, malayo ang difference. Malunggay seeds are superior that soya in terms of protein content.

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salamat sir ross, sa totoo isa ka sa nag inspired sa akin mag basic mix. b4 pumasok na ito sa isipan ko pro mas lalo akong na focus dito dahil sa mga post mo at sa mga tulong mo sa akin. nka kita na rin ako sa net nang aking hinahanap. bases ko lng yun i know hindi yun tugma sa tunay na analysis.

andaming binigay nang diyos sa atin bakit hindi natin gamitin? libre pa ito or kun kung binibili d hamak na sobrang mura. this saturday may session sa aming barangay, i will propose to the council and to the people that i will buy dried legumes per kilo pra may extra income sila kaysa uupo lng sila at wlang magawa sa buhay. advantage na rin sa kin yun kaysa ako pa yung magpakahirap mag collect and mag sun dried nang mga legumes.
yung 1st experiment ko 1:1 soya pulp,commercial feeds - 5 months
from birth ave wt 86kg carcass.
2nd expirement ko pure soya pulp - 4.5 months from birth ave wt 55kg lng. kahit maga-an lng cya may profit naman ako kasi murang2x ang soya pulp and at least i know now na hindi talaga pwed puro soya pulp lng pro at least lumaki dba?
ngayon i plan na ipa analyze na talaga ang soya pulp pra ma improve ko yung formulation ko.

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sir ross, paano po ang procedure nang malunggay seeds? kailangin rin po b itong luto-in? as wat ive read na delicado daw ipa kain raw and fresh mga legumes kasi may mga toxins ito at mga growth inhibitor. may nabasa rin ako na maximum lng daw na na 10% sa ration ang mga legumes. ano po masasabi mo dito base sa iyong experience?

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Yes, may toxin ang seeds ng malunggay but if you dried it under the sun bumababa ang toxin content similar in cassava roots and gabi leaves. Even ipil-ipil leaves may toxin din yun.

Meron limit talaga ang mix ng malunggay seeds because of toxin and other considerations.

For your soya pulp, try to search the tempeh, it is an Indonesian fermented food that is made from soya beans. Tempeh is exported to USA and it is a popular food among health conscious people.

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ive read sir that buy boiling it for 15min @ 100 deg C, it is enough to deactivate the toxins and the growth inhibitor factor

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Mr. Ross,

Ito bang copra meal nga sinasabi nyo ay commercial? Yung sapal pwede ba ihalo sa darak as copra meal? Advise lang po kasi gusto ko rin mag mix para sa kambing namin.

Salamat,
ppm

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Ang copra meal ay by-product ng coco oil extraction. Ang sapal ng niyog ay yung kinunan ng gata (coco milk) at mataas ang moisture content.

Puwede ipakain sa kambing ito pero dapat ma dry muna para tumagal na maistock, mataas kasi ang MC at mabilis kapitan ng mold and other harmful microorganisms.

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Gamit kayo ng toxin binder para sigurado.

104 (edited by bananaman007 Jan 13 2010 11:00:53)

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sir ross, bakit hindi maganda ipakain ang mga spent grain, may nakita ako sa net na maramin nman palang nutritional value ito.


dm      cp     ee     cf     ash     nfe     ca       p      methionine      lysine        kcal/kg
                                                                       &  cystine

22.3    27.8   8     12.6   4.9    46.7    0.16   0.65      .33                .92         3097

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bananaman007 wrote:

salamat sir ross, sa totoo isa ka sa nag inspired sa akin mag basic mix. b4 pumasok na ito sa isipan ko pro mas lalo akong na focus dito dahil sa mga post mo at sa mga tulong mo sa akin. nka kita na rin ako sa net nang aking hinahanap. bases ko lng yun i know hindi yun tugma sa tunay na analysis.

andaming binigay nang diyos sa atin bakit hindi natin gamitin? libre pa ito or kun kung binibili d hamak na sobrang mura. this saturday may session sa aming barangay, i will propose to the council and to the people that i will buy dried legumes per kilo pra may extra income sila kaysa uupo lng sila at wlang magawa sa buhay. advantage na rin sa kin yun kaysa ako pa yung magpakahirap mag collect and mag sun dried nang mga legumes.
yung 1st experiment ko 1:1 soya pulp,commercial feeds - 5 months
from birth ave wt 86kg carcass.
2nd expirement ko pure soya pulp - 4.5 months from birth ave wt 55kg lng. kahit maga-an lng cya may profit naman ako kasi murang2x ang soya pulp and at least i know now na hindi talaga pwed puro soya pulp lng pro at least lumaki dba?
ngayon i plan na ipa analyze na talaga ang soya pulp pra ma improve ko yung formulation ko.

I did this experiment din... same results...

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sir leroybrown, ano na gamit mo ngayon? are u stl mixing ur own feeds?

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bananaman007 wrote:

sir leroybrown, ano na gamit mo ngayon? are u stl mixing ur own feeds?

hi, yup still mixing.... though I raise native pigs kasi... I feed them 50% soya pulp, 10% peanuts, 10% copra meal (from Sir Ross's friend), 10% trash veggies, and 20% dough... I started adding toxin binders and atovi...

I plan to start again on white pigs... hanap lang ng mga biik... hanap ako ng maganda source ng protein kasi yun napansin ko, mahina lumaki kasi kulang sa good quality protein... balak ko din try yung kay earthcrisis na sapal ng mais...

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na-try ko din pala magpakain ng spent grain... hehe medyo di maganda, kasalanan ko din kasi puro halos yun binigay ko... depende sa gamit siguro kasi ang pigs dun sa kinuhanan ko sobrang lalake...

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Thanks a lot for your explanation.

Regards and more power.

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sir leroy ano yung peanut gamit mo? yung nut or yung ipa nito? ang baboy na pinapakain ko ay yung galing talaga sa commercial farm, sabi nila hindi daw pwed pro nag try ako kasi hindi talaga natin malalaman ang isang bagay pag hindi natin na try dba? ok nman sila, hindi sila nagtatae at lumaki nman talaga. maganda talaga ang soya pulp pag mix mo sa commercial feeds pro kulang nang nutrients pag puro lng.sir ano po ba ang gamit nang toxin binder? sana ma explain mo sa akin to pra ma try ko ito. sir suggestion ko lng, y not use ricebran and eliminate the dough. sa tingin ko nkakataba ang dough masyado katulad nang pansit.hehehehe. na try ko rin pansit at soya pulp masyadong kapal nang taba.

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Spent grain is a nutritional feed stuff, however, it has high moisture content kaya mabilis tinutubuan ng molds that is not good to health of baboy and poultry.

If MC could be lowered to 10-12%, you can control the growth of molds.

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bananaman007 wrote:

sir leroy ano yung peanut gamit mo? yung nut or yung ipa nito? ang baboy na pinapakain ko ay yung galing talaga sa commercial farm, sabi nila hindi daw pwed pro nag try ako kasi hindi talaga natin malalaman ang isang bagay pag hindi natin na try dba? ok nman sila, hindi sila nagtatae at lumaki nman talaga. maganda talaga ang soya pulp pag mix mo sa commercial feeds pro kulang nang nutrients pag puro lng.sir ano po ba ang gamit nang toxin binder? sana ma explain mo sa akin to pra ma try ko ito. sir suggestion ko lng, y not use ricebran and eliminate the dough. sa tingin ko nkakataba ang dough masyado katulad nang pansit.hehehehe. na try ko rin pansit at soya pulp masyadong kapal nang taba.

hi leroy nalang wala ng sir...

gamit ko po nut... may nagbenta sa akin, mga expired P7.50/kg naka pack sa plastic, vacuum sealed pa... based sa mga nabasa ko, di pwede sya only source of protein kasi kulang ata sa lysine or my inhibitor ng lysine... recently ko lang ginagamit so di ko pa alam effect...

re: toxin binder, recently lang din ako gumagamit... para panigurado lang kasi di ko naman alam kung may mga toxins na mga bigay ko sa mga black pigs ko... yung isa kasi bigla nalang nanlambot pero nakarecover naman, duda ko baka nakakain ng di maganda, kaya nanigurado na ako...

again recently ko lang din gamit ang dough... benta kasi sa akin ng P3/kg lang kaya subok subok lang...

matagal ko na gamit ang sapal ng tokwa... natry ko dati sa mga natives at sa mga white pigs... 25 heads, stock ko galing sa isang farm sa Nueva Ecija... 10 pure feeds, 10 50%-50%, and 5 ata pure sapal... napagiwanan syempre yung 5 pero yung 50%-50% ok naman... yung mga native ko naexpriement ko din na 50%-50% sapal ng tokwa mix sa darak... maganda naman growth nila...

maintain ko lang mga native pigs ko, may 8 sows na ako balak ko increase up to 25 siguro... nakakatuwa kasi low maintenance lang, parang mga kambing, tali ko lang sa damuhan - masmagaling pa maglinis ng damo kesan sa kambing...

yung brother ko mag-raise ng 300 broiler chicks per week and 10 piglets a month sa Mataas na Kahoy, Batanggas... dun namin i-try yung sapal ng mais ni earthcrisis...

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@ leroybrown - tnx leroy nalng heheheh. andami ko nang nakukuhang idea. swerti mo ah may nakukuhanan ka nang peanut.  luto na b ito or raw pa? kasi sa research ko rin basta legumes na raw may growth inhibitor factor daw. so mabuti cguro e bilad mo muna sa araw at patuyoin hangang mag shrink ito or boil it @ 100 deg celsius for 15min. yung sapal nang mais matagal nang ginagamit yan dito sa cebu. Tahop tawag niyan dito sa cebu

may na basa rin ako na pag plant protein source kahit mataas and CP nito maliit lng talaga ang lysine, so dapat cguro mag add tayo nang kunting fishmeal or kuhol or d kaya 10% mineral mix fortified w/ lysine. problema ko lng hindi ko pa alam magkano ito.

magkano b ang toxin binder sir?

sir how do u feed ur pigs w/ ur mix? adlib po bha?


@ wintuha - sir ross, pwed kaya gamitin ang toxin binder for spent grain pra hindi madaling mag molds? pwed rin nman cguro e ferment ang spent grain tulad nang soya pulp pra hindi magka amag d po bha?

sir ross at sir leroy, ngayon nag try ako magpakain nang aking mga alaga nang mga B.O na tokwa atsaka tufo. sealed pa po ito lagpas nga lng sa expiry date. atsaka yung mga B.O na soya milk pinapa inom ko sa aking mga baboy. lakas uminom prang wla nang bukas. parang fermented po ang amoy na nito parang sweet vinegar at sumasabog pa pag bukas ko. so far na observe ko pag pinapa inom ko cla nang expired na soya milk. wet ang kanilang dumi parang bata na pinapa inom nang formula milk. ano po ang masasabi mo dito?

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some study on use of Palm Kernel Meal and Copra Meal --- http://www.agr.hr/jcea/issues/jcea9-1/pdf/jcea91-5.pdf

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Ito pa - Cassava Leaf Meal study naman on swine... - http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd7/3/9.htm

Problem will be getting enough supply on a consistent basis...

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Ito pa - Sweet Potato Leaf - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2664/2

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PKM uli -  http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=CC347DEE3E1AF97A335F5E99013B7893.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=624040

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Very informative --- http://www.americanpalmoil.com/publications/animal%20feed.pdf

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Mga Sirs,

Pwede ba ipakain ang damo ng palay sa kambing after cropping? Paki advise lang po kasi marami ang palayan sa amin.

Regards,
PPM

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@leroybrown -sir ilang grams po nilalagay mo sa iyong 50kg mixture? 1 tblespoon rin tulad nang atovi? sir mahirap ba kumuha nang mga dugo sa slaughter house? ang mahal nang bloodmeal ah.