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bakit po kelangan ng wood ash or ground charcoal? also, ito po ba ay para sa nangingitlog na or habang ihinahanda sa pangingitlog (dumalaga).

Salamat po at mabuhay kayo.


mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Ang crude protein content ng darak, type D1 at binlid (broken rice) is ranging from 8-11%.

While for meat of kuhol (laman sa loob) is as high as 65%. Ang shell nito is good source of calcium kaya ang itlog ng itik ay makakapal ang balat.

I think kailangan lang iprocess ang kuhol by simple drying and milling so that you can extend the shelf life of the mixture.


Ross,

Hi I sent you an e-mail.... would appreciate it if you could reply to it ASAP.

Thanks
Ces

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wewolf,

kindly send me an email in my address so that I can provide you some basic formula on the mixture of copra cake.

I think in order for duck raiser to survive, the business model should be the Datur Family of Victoria, Laguna. They do not use commercial feeds in their duck, lahat natural such suso from Laguna de Bay, kamoteng kahoy from Bondoc Pinensula farmers, rice bran and broken rice from mills around Victoria town, copra meals, etc. Ang imported lang soya meal dahil wala dito sa PI.

Somebody from Pangasinan is using refined cooking oil in his basic self mix, napakamal nito. Marami na rin mga fastfood restaurants sa probinsiya, ang used cooking oil ay puwede gamitin instead of refined cooking oil. But make sure na walang unwanted chemical na inilagay sa used cooking oil.

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Sapal ng taho at mongo sprout ay magandang ipanghalo sa pakain sa baboy. Kaya lang di mo puwede patagalin, within the day dapat maipakain kaagad dahil mabilis tutubuan ng amag "aflotoxin".

Marami ang nasasayang na resources na di lang alam gamitin. Sa lugar sa amin marami ang mga gumagawa ng homemade candies/sweets. Noong tumaas ang presyo ng commercial feeds at bumagsak naman ang liveweight price ng baboy, marami ang tumigil na backyard raiser na tumigil.

Pero yung mga may access sa peelings ng taro tuber "gabi", sapal ng niyog, tutong ng kawali na pinaglutuan ng sweets (ube heliya), etc. ay tuloy tuloy pa rin ang alaga.

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tama ka sir ross, tamang discarte lng ang kailangan. pro magtatanong lng mas mabuti po ba na ehalo ang sapal nang taho sa commercial feeds? or pwed na ito nlng ipakain?

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Para Uma wrote:

bakit po kelangan ng wood ash or ground charcoal? also, ito po ba ay para sa nangingitlog na or habang ihinahanda sa pangingitlog (dumalaga).

Salamat po at mabuhay kayo.


mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams


to prevent diarhea, panigurado lang po.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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thanks po mda. lahat po maliban sa snails ay available at may stable supply. ang kuhol po kasi ay seasonal at kung minsan contaminated dahil nilalason ng mga magsasaka, sa mga nakakaalam meron po bang substitute sa snails na mabibili sa mga commercial outlets? ung processed na at pwedeng i stock ng medyo matagal. kung meron po paki post naman.

Salamat po.

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

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Para Uma wrote:

thanks po mda. lahat po maliban sa snails ay available at may stable supply. ang kuhol po kasi ay seasonal at kung minsan contaminated dahil nilalason ng mga magsasaka, sa mga nakakaalam meron po bang substitute sa snails na mabibili sa mga commercial outlets? ung processed na at pwedeng i stock ng medyo matagal. kung meron po paki post naman.

Salamat po.

fish meal siguro pwedeng substitute (not sure ha). Gusto ko rin sana mag-mix na sarili kong feeds.  I thought it's simple, kunin ko lang kako ang nutritional value ng available  feed ingredients tapos mag-formulate ako base sa nutritional requirement ng itik and presto, may mas murang feeds na ako.

Problema, wala akong time bumili ng iba't ibang feed ingredients dahil may 8-5 job ako.  Saka mahirap din daw, pag may shortage ng ingredients, mahirap bumili.  Eh sensitive pa naman ang itik sa pabago-bagong feeds.

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pareho tayo ng iniisip re fish meal, and we are also in the same predicament, may job din ako and every 2 months uwi ko sa manila. but i believe our ideas are worth exploring, tingin ko kasi once na resolve ang feed issue all other things will fall into the right place.

Since we are on the same boat so to speak, i think we can work together on a project. shoot me an email please.

thanks.

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

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Para Uma wrote:

pareho tayo ng iniisip re fish meal, and we are also in the same predicament, may job din ako and every 2 months uwi ko sa manila. but i believe our ideas are worth exploring, tingin ko kasi once na resolve ang feed issue all other things will fall into the right place.

Since we are on the same boat so to speak, i think we can work together on a project. shoot me an email please.

thanks.

Am not ready yet to self-mix.  Masyadong risky unless I can give 100% of my time.  Marami nang nakasubok sa place namin, sa una, maganda, then nasira din dahil hindi consistent ang supply ng feed ingredients.  At this point in time, commercial feeds na lang muna ako, mas mahal pero mas konti sakit ng ulo.

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Para Uma,

pwede soyabean kung mura.

pwede din crushed oyster shell.

yung golden kuhol substitute sa soyabean para makatipid.

soyabean, golden kuhol, crushed oyster shell. - pampatigas ng shell

wood ash / ground charcoal - para hindi mag diarhea ang itik.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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Thanks po. I am gathering as much info as possible re economical and stable source of duck feeds. your inputs are highly appreciated.

Mabuhay po kayo.

slow is smooth and smooth is fast

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

wewolf,

kindly send me an email in my address so that I can provide you some basic formula on the mixture of copra cake.

I think in order for duck raiser to survive, the business model should be the Datur Family of Victoria, Laguna. They do not use commercial feeds in their duck, lahat natural such suso from Laguna de Bay, kamoteng kahoy from Bondoc Pinensula farmers, rice bran and broken rice from mills around Victoria town, copra meals, etc. Ang imported lang soya meal dahil wala dito sa PI.

Somebody from Pangasinan is using refined cooking oil in his basic self mix, napakamal nito. Marami na rin mga fastfood restaurants sa probinsiya, ang used cooking oil ay puwede gamitin instead of refined cooking oil. But make sure na walang unwanted chemical na inilagay sa used cooking oil.


good day sir ross delacruz, i have already sent u an email. sorry for the late reply. anyway this is my email add wolfpack_21@ymail.com hope u could email me sir. thank you very much!

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I think it will be better to post here how I formulate my feeds. It reminds me what my buyer of hogs told me that "under present condition, high cost of feeds and low price of liveweight, only those raisers that formulate his basic feed mix will survive".

For the duck nutritional requirement as per book available, it require 16% crude protein (CP) and 2900 k/cal metabolized energy (ME). Using the basic feed mix posted earlier as an example, presented below is my calculation:

                               CP %            ME k/cal
Rice bran D2                8                2365
Broken rice (binlid)       7.8              2990
Snail-meat (est. 30%) 50                2155

Source: A Primer on Pork Production by Valentino G. Arganosa, UPLB

There is no specific laboratory chemical analysis of snail's meat and I will use for the meantime the local fish meal data to complete my calculation. Also, I only use 30% as temporary figure for the snail's meat weight for kl of snail, the rest (70%) is shell's weight.

The calculation of CP % for basic feed mix will be as follows:

Rice bran, D2                  50 kg        (50 x 8%)/100=        0.04
Broken rice                     20 kg        (20 x 7.8%)/100 =    0.015
Snail's meat (30%x25kg) 7.5            (7.5x 50%)/100 =    0.0375
          shell                     17.5                                           0
Minerals/etc.                       5                                             0

Total                              100                                         0.09.2 or 9%

For ME my calculation is as follows:

Rice bran, D2                   50 kg      (50 x 2365)/100 =       1182
Broken rice3                     20           (20 x 2990)/100 =        598
Snail's meat                       7.5        (7.5 x 2155)/100 =       161
          shell                       17.5                                             0
Minerals/etc.                       5                                                0

Total                               100                                           1941

Based on the above estimated calculation CP is short by 7% (16-9) and ME by 959 (2900-1941).

In order to get a 16% CP, I will use copra meal and fish meal as a source of protein;

Copra has 21% CP and 3000 k/cal ME and for fish meal, it is shown above:

Rice bran, D2                   20 kg     (20 x 7.8%)/100    =       0.0156
Broken rice                       20         (20 x 7.8%)/100    =      0.015
Copral meal                      30         (30 x 21%)/100    =       0.063
Fish meal                            5        (5 x 50%)/100      =       0 025
Snail's meat                        7.5      (7.5x50%)/100)    =       0.0375
          shell                         12.5                                             0
Minerals                               5                                                 0
                   
Total                                100                                             01561 or 15.6%
       
By adding 30 kg copra meal and 5 kg fish meal and reducing rice bran by 35 kg in the mix, I was able to attain 15.6% CP which is close enough to duck's nutritional requirement of 16%.

For the ME, the mix will give result to as follows:

Rice bran, D2           20 kg    (20 x 2365)/100 =     473
Broken rice               20        (20 x 2990)/100 =     598
Copra meal              30        (30 x 3000)/100 =     900
Fish meal                  5         (5 x 2155)/100  =     107
Snail - meat              7.5     (7.5 x 2155)/100 =     162
          shell              12.5                                        0
Minerals                     5                                          0

Total                       100                                    2240

It is still short (2900-2240) by 660 k/cal. I will use vegetable oil that has 7975 k/cal to attain 2900. By adding 8 kg of vegetable fat it will give an additional k/cal of 638 (8 x 7975)/100= 638 k/cal. It (2240 +638= 2878) will be close to the requirement of 2900 k/cal.

With the use of an Excel spreadsheet, it will be easy to calculate other parameter to have a balance feed mix.

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good day!

sir ross dela cruz, i havent yet done your formulation but gladly appreciated. also sir how about turkey protein needs? i also have turkey baka po u could advise me on a feed formulation or its the same with ducks since i also give the laying hen ducklayer feeds and the 2-5months turkey grower feeds (CJ + Integra) mix with copra meal.

thank you very much.

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werewolf,

My reference book is "Modern Livestock and Poultry Production" by James R. Gillespie, 1981 edition.

Age (weeks)        ME                      Crude Protein

0-4                     2800                       28
4-8                     2900                       26
8-12                   3000                        22
12-16                 3100                        19
16-20                 3200                       16.5
20-24                 3300                        14
Holding               2900                        12
Breeding hens      2900                       14

High protein content during the early stage then high energy during the later part of growing period.

What is your duck laying population? Kung me alam ka na viajeros ng bigas going to San Pablo City or Lucena, mag pa backload ka ng copra meal and vegetable oil on their way back to Bulacan.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

werewolf,

My reference book is "Modern Livestock and Poultry Production" by James R. Gillespie, 1981 edition.

Age (weeks)        ME                      Crude Protein

0-4                     2800                       28
4-8                     2900                       26
8-12                   3000                        22
12-16                 3100                        19
16-20                 3200                       16.5
20-24                 3300                        14
Holding               2900                        12
Breeding hens      2900                       14

High protein content during the early stage then high energy during the later part of growing period.

What is your duck laying population? Kung me alam ka na viajeros ng bigas going to San Pablo City or Lucena, mag pa backload ka ng copra meal and vegetable oil on their way back to Bulacan.

sa duck po nag uumpisa palang ako, maliit pa lang population kaya konti lang din un eggs. un alaga kong turkey nasa 300 na po un tom at hen. same un feeds that i give them per age group, tama po kaya un?

un pong turkey one batch for xmas & un another batch for laying ng maging next batch ng breeder. kaya i also have diferent sets of feeds for them.

also what do u mean about vegetable oil? cooking oil po ba un?

thanks!

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What I mean by vegetable oil is crude coconut oil. Cooking oil is refined, deodorized and bleached (RBD). Ang ginagamit ko is crude coco oil that has not been processed yet into cooking oil.

Its price is much cheaper than cooking oil.

Me taga Bulacan na regular na nakuha sa amin ng crude coco oil, 10 wheeler tank ang gamit. Di ko lang alam kung saan sa Bulacan siya naka base.

If you follow strictly what is in the book, per aged group, there is a set of feed mix given. Similar in swine practice, there is pre-starter for piglets, starter for weaned piglets, grower for 30-40 kg., grower for 40-70 age group and finisher for 70-up kg.

Feed mix for gestation and lactating sow is also different.

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sir ross dela cruz,

are u in the business of selling cooking oil by tanker? thanks!

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Not cooking oil but crude coco oil ang sinisimulan ko imarket. Meron kasi ako ipinagagawa na expeller intended for extracting vegetable oil. Maybe next month matatapos na.

Puwede ako mag supply ng crude coco oil in plastic container, 17 kg, net. Medyo mataas lang ng konti dahil I have to recover filling and handling cost.

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Do you have any experience in mixing dried malungay (moringa oleifera) leaves in your ration? I've been planting malungay in my minifarm.  I reckon when I have enough trees, I could mix the dried leaves in the duck's ration as they say malungay is rich in protein, amino acids and other vitamins and minerals.

The ducks are not keen on eating the fresh leaves, unlike the kangkong leaves which they consume with gusto.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Not cooking oil but crude coco oil ang sinisimulan ko imarket. Meron kasi ako ipinagagawa na expeller intended for extracting vegetable oil. Maybe next month matatapos na.

Puwede ako mag supply ng crude coco oil in plastic container, 17 kg, net. Medyo mataas lang ng konti dahil I have to recover filling and handling cost.


sir whats the use of crude coco oil? we sell retail cooking oil and our supplier comes from laguna. we have our own container & they refill it 17kg. since in a week we dispose 100-200 containers (depending on the market price) im interested in purchasing cooking oil by trailer to even lower the price.

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Bansali,

I am still doing research on malunggay leave's chemical composition. So far wala pa ako makita na reliable data in the internet regarding chemical composition of malunggay.

Maybe as a reference you can use the chemical composition of dried ipil-ipil as a starting point when mixing your feeds.

crude protein - 24%
Crude fat       - 4.4%
Crude fiber       13.2%
Calcium            1.98%
Avail. P            3.07%
Met. energy      1400 kcal.

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werewolf,

Vegetable oil/fat or even animal fat is used in mixing your feeds in order to attain the required metabolized energy. Most feed's ingredients are short in ME value, thus, you have to add vegetable oil to attain the desired level of ME in the mix. Adding oil/fat is a standard practice in feed milling.

So far, the cheapest source of vegetable oil is those extracted from coconut which I termed crude coco oil.

If you are engaged in the distribution of refined cooking oil, me mga kilala ako na puwede magdeliver by trailer.

Make sure na meron ka tank that has capacity of 20,000 liters. Please email me at wintuha@yahoo.com so that we can discuss the details.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Bansali,

I am still doing research on malunggay leave's chemical composition. So far wala pa ako makita na reliable data in the internet regarding chemical composition of malunggay.

Maybe as a reference you can use the chemical composition of dried ipil-ipil as a starting point when mixing your feeds.

crude protein - 24%
Crude fat       - 4.4%
Crude fiber       13.2%
Calcium            1.98%
Avail. P            3.07%
Met. energy      1400 kcal.

Heto nakita ko sa internet pare.

Chemical composition (g/kg DM) of Moringa Olifera Leaf Meal used to formulate experimental diets for layer chickens in  Tanzania

CP- 297
CF - 225
Ash - 147.7
EE - 43.8
Ca -  27.9
P- 2.6
NFE- 106
ME - 7.86 (mj/kg of DM)

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Wawawie!!!!! Ang taas pala ng CP ng malunggay! By dividing the figures by 1000 g to get the percentage you will come up with the following:

CP             - 29.7%
CFat           - 22.5% (paki check kung fat or fiber ito?)
Calcium      -  0.27%
Phosphorus    0.02%
Met. Energy    7.86 mj/kg = 7860 kcal (paki check ng conversion ko, wala kasi ako makita na conversion ng mj into kcal)

If CF means crude fat that will explain why malunggay has high met. energy value. If so, magandang gamitin ang malunggay pang balance ng met. energy to meet the nutritional requirement of your duck.

I will do some research on the fat content of malunggay, kasi kung 22.5% ang fat, maybe, it will be economically viable to extract oil using simple expeller.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Wawawie!!!!! Ang taas pala ng CP ng malunggay! By dividing the figures by 1000 g to get the percentage you will come up with the following:

CP             - 29.7%
CFat           - 22.5% (paki check kung fat or fiber ito?)
Calcium      -  0.27%
Phosphorus    0.02%
Met. Energy    7.86 mj/kg = 7860 kcal (paki check ng conversion ko, wala kasi ako makita na conversion ng mj into kcal)

If CF means crude fat that will explain why malunggay has high met. energy value. If so, magandang gamitin ang malunggay pang balance ng met. energy to meet the nutritional requirement of your duck.

I will do some research on the fat content of malunggay, kasi kung 22.5% ang fat, maybe, it will be economically viable to extract oil using simple expeller.

Crude Fiber yan pare, hindi crude fat.

i-post ko dito yung link, hanapin ko uli.

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Conclusions
The study showed that obtained responses due to substitution of sunflower seed meal with Moringa oleifera suggest the shrub to have a potential in poultry feeding. This is exhibited through its protein content, relatively low fibre and higher mineral contents.

The study using layers showed that MOLM could be used as a source of plant protein since it was highly accepted even at high inclusion levels in the diet. Further, LP, EMP and EWT remained within the recommended level even when given as a sole plant source. Also, showed highest performance in egg production in comparison with other leaf meals already studied. However, for optimum utilization 10% inclusion is recommended.

In areas where MOLM can be obtained for free and quality of eggs fetch higher premium complete substitution (20%) with MOLM is highly recommended.

Heto yung link for the abstract

http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd19/8/kake19120.htm

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At the recommended level of 10% ang laking saving na yan kung ang protein source mo ay soya bean meal. Di lang nasabi sa study kung ang color ng egg yolk is bright yellow kasi mataas ang beta carotene level.

Mag tanim tayo ng maraming puno ng malunggay para mabawasan ang gastos sa feeds. I will try the clay ball which contain the seed inside, as what had been done in Japan by Fokouka, author of "One Straw Revolution".

Just a moment ago nag try ako gumawa ng clay ball, almost an hour, naka 100 pcs na kaagad ako. Kung ihuhukay mo or ubsok ang cutting ng Malunggay baka aabutin ka ng whole day sa pagtatanim.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

At the recommended level of 10% ang laking saving na yan kung ang protein source mo ay soya bean meal. Di lang nasabi sa study kung ang color ng egg yolk is bright yellow kasi mataas ang beta carotene level.

Mag tanim tayo ng maraming puno ng malunggay para mabawasan ang gastos sa feeds. I will try the clay ball which contain the seed inside, as what had been done in Japan by Fokouka, author of "One Straw Revolution".

Just a moment ago nag try ako gumawa ng clay ball, almost an hour, naka 100 pcs na kaagad ako. Kung ihuhukay mo or ubsok ang cutting ng Malunggay baka aabutin ka ng whole day sa pagtatanim.

Ako nag-umpisa na, pero dahil maliit lang yung area ko, limited lang din ang pwede ko itanim.  Maganda sana kung kinakain ng itik or manok yung fresh leaves para hindi na kailangang patuyuin at ihalo sa feeds.

Isa pang nabasa ko na pwedeng ihalo sa feeds ay yung kolitis (amaranth/spinach).

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Bansali,

In the Natural Farming section, there is a step by step process how to process Fermented Plant Juice (FPJ) and Fermented Fruit Juice (FFJ). Why not make a trial, say for 10 laying duck and isang barako.

For swine ration ang example, you can make adjustment on the protein level to make it 16%.

Available ba in your locality ang kolitis ( amaranth/spinach)?

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Bansali wrote:

Ross dela Cruz wrote:

At the recommended level of 10% ang laking saving na yan kung ang protein source mo ay soya bean meal. Di lang nasabi sa study kung ang color ng egg yolk is bright yellow kasi mataas ang beta carotene level.

Mag tanim tayo ng maraming puno ng malunggay para mabawasan ang gastos sa feeds. I will try the clay ball which contain the seed inside, as what had been done in Japan by Fokouka, author of "One Straw Revolution".

Just a moment ago nag try ako gumawa ng clay ball, almost an hour, naka 100 pcs na kaagad ako. Kung ihuhukay mo or ubsok ang cutting ng Malunggay baka aabutin ka ng whole day sa pagtatanim.

Ako nag-umpisa na, pero dahil maliit lang yung area ko, limited lang din ang pwede ko itanim.  Maganda sana kung kinakain ng itik or manok yung fresh leaves para hindi na kailangang patuyuin at ihalo sa feeds.

Isa pang nabasa ko na pwedeng ihalo sa feeds ay yung kolitis (amaranth/spinach).

Dami kami tanim malunggay halos ung palibot ko ng 1000 sg m na lote eh nakabakod malunggay kc mahal ung bunga nito pag tinda mo sa palengke ung mga dahon naman eh pinapakain ko sa itik pero hindi sila ganun kagusto, try ko nga lutuin saka ipakain sa kanila.

73 (edited by Ross dela Cruz Aug 30 2009 11:47:51)

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Mas mataas ang crude protein at fat ng seed ng malunggay. After extracting the oil ang crude protein sa Moringa kernel meal is around 58.9%, much higher than soya bean meal of 44%.

Kaya lang seasonal ang bunga ng malunggay, March-April lang nabunga. I do not know in other places kung all year round ang pagbunga.

Try mo ipakain as fermented malunggay leaves, lagyan mo ng pulot or molasses para mabawasan ang bitterness. I suggest you follow the formula of Adry Lim in Organic farming section.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Mas mataas ang crude protein at fat ng seed ng malunggay. After extracting the oil ang crude protein sa Moringa kernel meal is around 58.9%, much higher than soya bean meal of 44%.

Kaya lang seasonal ang bunga ng malunggay, March-April lang nabunga. I do not know in other places kung all year round ang pagbunga.

Try mo ipakain as fermented malunggay leaves, lagyan mo ng pulot or molasses para mabawasan ang bitterness. I suggest you follow the formula of Adry Lim in Organic farming section.

Sir may procedure ba kau how to make fermented malunggay leaves? Pls send to my email add.
Thanks,

erik_0930@yahoo.com

75 (edited by zaldyboy12 Sep 15 2009 13:08:25)

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hi, i do find this thread helpful. thanks for everyone who unselfishly contributed their knowledge and experiences. i'm planning to utilize your ideas in my future farm and hopefully share also my experiences here. Maraming salamat.

magkaisa tayong lahat!

76 (edited by rhanel Sep 17 2009 15:56:48)

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I'm Mr. Rhanel of Iligan City gusto ko po mag cattle raising bisically mga cow & goat gusto lang po ko malaman meron po kaayo mga feed mixture kasi abundat po didto ang copra meal meron dalawang planta didto sa Iligan nag process ng mga copra. Gusto ko po malaman ano po formula at ratio pag halo-halo ng feed para sa cattle raising.. kung pwede po ninyo ma email sa rhanelv@yahoo.com at rhanelpv@hotmail.com

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sir ross,at sa lahat ng marunong magmix::patulong naman po..

in case po na I will mix the following source raw mats below, can you please help to give me the correct proprtion/mix percentage para magamit ko po sa mga pig fatteners ko the most effective way:

rice bran
banana
golden kuhol
ipil ipil leaves
malungay
cuconut
mollases


maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat na di madamot sa kaalaman.

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pls e-mail me at wintuha@yahoo.com

79 (edited by avatar Oct 09 2009 13:59:23)

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sir ross,
available po ang copra cake at darak kung mix ko po sila ilang mga takal o grams kung pakain po sa kambing per head, pang supplement ko lang po sa mga alaga . mraming salamat po.

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For baka or kambing meron recommended formulation ang govt authorities. Do ko lang makita sa mga files ko.

But the basic ingredients are darak (kaya itolerate ng baka ang D3, lowest type of darak, ito yung giniling na rice hull or for kiskis or single pass rice mill's rough darak) at copra meal plus asin. Some raisers are using the concentrate for ensilage of grass, etc. plus molasses.