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Baguhan lang din ako sa piggery at umaasa lang din sa pagbili ng commercial feeds para pakain sa aking mga alaga ang problema ko (o nating lahat) ay ang pagtaas ng halaga ng pagkain ng baboy kaya gusto ko na rin irty ang magtimpla ng sariling feeds para sa aking mga alaga kaya lang pagbinabasa ko yung mga tungkol sa pagtimpla ng feeds parang hirap akong maunawaan masyadong masalimout di ba pwedeng ibigay nyo na lang ang mga klase ng ingredients na kailangan at ng dami sa bawat paghalo para sa 50kls na feeds

Parang ganito (sample lang)

Ingredients         Weight
Corn                      10kls
Cassava                 15kls
Fish meal              10kls
Soya                      10kls

Thank u

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sir, just know the raw materials na available and affordable sa inyong area.. then nutritionist na magbalance nyan.. mag add ka lang ng amino acids and vitamin minerals nyan.. yung iba.. depende kun kailangan pa such as antibiotic or toxin binders or acidifiers or enzyme.. yan.. goodluck sir

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sir animal nutririonist ha! see some feeds supplier sir.. my mga technical yan cla such as nutritionist..

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tama c "jettro97", animal nutritionist could provide balance formulation para sa mga alaga natin baboy. Kung gusto nyo po talaga maghalo ng feeds, marami mga bagay ang dapat isaalang-alang.
    1. avaiilable raw materials in your area (corn, soya, darak (rice bran), copra meal, pollard, coco oil, molasses, etc..)
    2. quality ng raw materials na bibilhin. Dapat ang makukuhang raw materials eh maganda ang quality para sulit ang ginagastos sa  pagawa ng feeds. DAhil sa pagbago ng quality ng feeds, maapektuhan ang performance ng alaga natin. Kung sa baboy, maaaring matagal bago maibenta, mahina lumaki at madaling tamaan ng sakit. (ex. Corn, dapat moisture content eh not more than 13% kc pagtumaas dun may posibilidad na kontaminado n un ng mycotoxin na makakaapekto sa performance ng alaga natin)
    3. balanced formulation. Eto ay pinakaimportante para mamaximize natin kung anuman nutrients and naibibigay ng raw materials na ginamit sa pagawa ng formulation.
    4. Masusing pag monitor ng formulation na ginamit. Dahil un nag bentahe ng pagmimix ng sariling feeds, pwede mag-adjust ng formulaiton base sa resulta ng ginamit na formulation. Dahil doon, pwede pa mag-improve ang performance ng alaga at magiging efficient and profitable ang farming natin.

At syempre, and feeds ay isa lang sa mga factors sa paglaki ng alaga natin, ang ibang factors na pwede pa makaapekto sa performance ng baboy ay: management, diseases, and environment.

Goodluck po!!!

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sir bumble pig, you could ask assistance from madam peache.. she is an animal nutritionist of a feed company. marami silang technical person nationwide na sigurado mag assist sainyo.. i also consulted her regarding my feed formulation... shes very approachable in person..

madam peache, musta na? nice to read from you again.. busy?

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hi sir jettro, busy po for the past months eh. But hopefully i could help them with regards to formulations.

Thanks!

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sa nueva Ecija ako meron ba kayong mairerecomend na mabibilhan ng mga raw materials o ingredients sa pag gawa ng feeds na malapit sa aming lugar particular sa Gapan....

salamat

“pwede nating pag-usapan ang tungkol sa baboy pero wala sanang baboyan”

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basemix ka, marami nagbibinta they will provide free nutritionist. if complex mixing ka ask sa local area nyo kung sino nutritionist dyaan... mahirap magimbinto ng feeds na di balance.

simplicity towards prosperity

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Hello Po!!!!

Interested din po ako sa self-mix. Dito po sa area ng Bulacan may ma i re recommend po ba kayo?

Thankz!

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Dear Madam Peache,

By any chance, do you have the right mix for duck feeds? Pwede po ba makahingi?

Thanks

peache_tanada wrote:

tama c "jettro97", animal nutritionist could provide balance formulation para sa mga alaga natin baboy. Kung gusto nyo po talaga maghalo ng feeds, marami mga bagay ang dapat isaalang-alang.
    1. avaiilable raw materials in your area (corn, soya, darak (rice bran), copra meal, pollard, coco oil, molasses, etc..)
    2. quality ng raw materials na bibilhin. Dapat ang makukuhang raw materials eh maganda ang quality para sulit ang ginagastos sa  pagawa ng feeds. DAhil sa pagbago ng quality ng feeds, maapektuhan ang performance ng alaga natin. Kung sa baboy, maaaring matagal bago maibenta, mahina lumaki at madaling tamaan ng sakit. (ex. Corn, dapat moisture content eh not more than 13% kc pagtumaas dun may posibilidad na kontaminado n un ng mycotoxin na makakaapekto sa performance ng alaga natin)
    3. balanced formulation. Eto ay pinakaimportante para mamaximize natin kung anuman nutrients and naibibigay ng raw materials na ginamit sa pagawa ng formulation.
    4. Masusing pag monitor ng formulation na ginamit. Dahil un nag bentahe ng pagmimix ng sariling feeds, pwede mag-adjust ng formulaiton base sa resulta ng ginamit na formulation. Dahil doon, pwede pa mag-improve ang performance ng alaga at magiging efficient and profitable ang farming natin.

At syempre, and feeds ay isa lang sa mga factors sa paglaki ng alaga natin, ang ibang factors na pwede pa makaapekto sa performance ng baboy ay: management, diseases, and environment.

Goodluck po!!!

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hi to all, mag tatanong lng po ako kung maganda bang ehalo ang soya pulp or yung waste nang soya bean sa pag gawa nang taho or soya milk??? marami ding monngo sprouts na reject dito sa amin na tinatapon lng. pwed din bang ehalo ito??? pwed bang magpatulong kung ano ang magandang ehalo at wastong ratio and proportion sa pag mix nito. salamat in advance!!!!

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corn
soya
cassava
fish meal
darak
pulot

d ko lang alam ratio pero yan ang nakita ko sa nag mix ng feeds

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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babes_lover wrote:

sa nueva Ecija ako meron ba kayong mairerecomend na mabibilhan ng mga raw materials o ingredients sa pag gawa ng feeds na malapit sa aming lugar particular sa Gapan....

salamat


sir try mo mag inquire sa gapan farms may corn sila

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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sayang ang thread na ito. andaming views pro ang liit nang response. cguro ayaw magshare nang mga malalaking hograiser sa kanilang secreto sa pag gawa nang sarili nilang feeds. it all boils down to fear in competition.

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bananaman007 wrote:

sayang ang thread na ito. andaming views pro ang liit nang response. cguro ayaw magshare nang mga malalaking hograiser sa kanilang secreto sa pag gawa nang sarili nilang feeds. it all boils down to fear in competition.

trade secrets of companies are kept confidential.  is it there right too.  they invested millions then just divulged what they worked for years... 

you have to do your own research and development and have better feed formulations and maybe companies will copy your formulations.  thats  competition. you let big companies get uncomfortable with a new product formulation.

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wala nman ata secret sa feed formulation.. nka depende po un sa availability ng raw materials tsaka need ng every farm..

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secret parin po un na kung papaano mamaintain ang quality by using pinakamurang availble materials po. at un po eh weekly or monthly pwede magbago.
masmalaking farm mas mabusisi sa mga maliliit na gastosin kc po pagpinasamasama malaki po un since volume sila.
sa atin basta mas ok performance o same as commercial feeds at mas mura ok na ung formulation na un.

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basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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magtatanong lng po kung pwed bang ehalo ang soya pulp o waste nang taho at monggo sprout sa pagkain nang aking baboy? an dami kasi sa aming kapitbahay. pwed ko kaya ito na lng ipakain ko kasi ang mahal nang commercial feeds. sa akin nmn pagkaka alam ang soya at monngo ay vry high in protein. kung lumalaki nga katawan nang tao sa pagkain nito baboy pa kaya! ano po b ang masasabi nyo mga tol??? any reaction???

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mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams

Mr./Ms. MDA

Salamat ng marami.

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philces wrote:

mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams

Mr./Ms. MDA

Salamat ng marami.

mda,

Are you mixing your own feeds? Do you by any chance know where to get cheap grinders, mixers and pelletizer? We have currently 700 birds/ducks but planning to increase it to 1,400, so yong machine po na kailangan namin should be good to manufacture feeds for that size of flock.

Would appreciate it if you could give us information.

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philces wrote:

mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams

Mr./Ms. MDA

Salamat ng marami.

philces,

yung asin ordinary table salt kung mura iodized salt mas ok. sa shell oyster shell. mga kaibigan ko ang nag mix ng feeds. tungkol naman sa mixer,grinder, hammer mill hanap k fabricator sa area mo.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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philces,
pakipost nalang sa yahoo group yun feed mix baka maka2long mobile internet gamit ko kaya hindi ako maka join.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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mda wrote:

philces,
pakipost nalang sa yahoo group yun feed mix baka maka2long mobile internet gamit ko kaya hindi ako maka join.

Done mda.... thanks

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love it

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mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams


thank you po

may i ask lang po, how much this mixture cost?

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werewolf21,

less than 1thou - 2sacks

hanap ka sa area mo ng murang pagkukunan.

good 4 one day lang yan kung mag stock ka wag mo isama kuhol sa pag halo para hindi mapanis feeds.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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warewolf,

You may consider copra meal/cake, it has crude protein content of 19-21%. At present, cost per kg is around P6.50 (pick up in Nagcarlan, Laguna). It is available all the time. It is a good source of protein at low price.

Thank you

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mda wrote:

werewolf21,

less than 1thou - 2sacks

hanap ka sa area mo ng murang pagkukunan.

good 4 one day lang yan kung mag stock ka wag mo isama kuhol sa pag halo para hindi mapanis feeds.

thank you po sa reply. well it would really be much cheaper compared 2 a sack of commercial feeds but why is it good 4 1 day even w/out kuhol?

thanks!

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

werewolf,

You may consider copra meal/cake, it has crude protein content of 19-21%. At present, cost per kg is around P6.50 (pick up in Nagcarlan, Laguna). It is available all the time. It is a good source of protein at low price.

Thank you

thank you... ill consider that pag nagawi po ako dyan mag uuwi ako. mahal po talaga un commercial feeds that before i could of expand my flock i want 2 look 4 alternative cheap but quality feeds if possible. sayang un expansion if i couldnt sustain an affordable feed source.

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werewolf21 wrote:

mda wrote:

basic duck feed mix

darak  55kg
binlid   20kg
snails   25kg
wood ash/ground charcoal  1.5kg
asin 250grams
limestone/shell   250grams
afsilin/aurofac  250grams


thank you po

may i ask lang po, how much this mixture cost?

May I ask po kung saan kami pwede bumili nong afsilin/aurofac? Ang paano po ang procedure ng mixing nito, kailangan po ba ng proper feed mill or we can mix this manually?

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

warewolf,

You may consider copra meal/cake, it has crude protein content of 19-21%. At present, cost per kg is around P6.50 (pick up in Nagcarlan, Laguna). It is available all the time. It is a good source of protein at low price.

Thank you

Hi Ross,

Pwede ba malaman kung yong corpa meal/cake is the same as the copra, namimili ang tatay ko ng copra, direct from coconut farmers, pwede ba naming gamitin un? Ano ang proportion ng copra meal doon sa duck feed mix na ibinigay ni Mr. MDA?

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philces,

sa vet/feeds. supply meron tinda afsilin/aurofac. pwede naman manually. make sure na naihalo mo mabuti.

"fall seven times, stand up eight."

"the future of man depends on what we do in the present."

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mda wrote:

philces,

sa vet/feeds. supply meron tinda afsilin/aurofac. pwede naman manually. make sure na naihalo mo mabuti.

Salamat ha.... what about my question about copra meal?

"Pwede ba malaman kung yong corpa meal/cake is the same as the copra, namimili ang tatay ko ng copra, direct from coconut farmers, pwede ba naming gamitin un? Ano ang proportion ng copra meal doon sa duck feed mix"

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by-product ng unprocesed copra ang copra cake.

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Philces,

Hindi advisable na gamitin ang raw copra sa animal feeds dahil masyado mataas ang oil/fat content nito. Ang normal oil/fat content ng raw copra is around 57-62%, kung resicada it may go up to 70%.

Copra meal/cake is a by-product of oil mill after extracting vegetable oil. Ang residual oil content after extracting is around 8-12%.

Me recommended percentage sa mixture ang copra cake/meal dahil mataas ang fiber content nito. In my experience di puwede mo pakainin ng copra cake/meal ang mga piglets dahil nagtatae. Di kaya ng kanilang digestive system ang high fiber content.

I think ang mga itik has more complex digestive system as compared to pig. Ang alam ko kailangan pa nila ng mga buhangin to facilitate digesting animal feeds.

Kuhol is a good source of protein and mineral (calcium).

Golden kuhol ay salot sa mga rice field. This can be easily eradicated by using them as animal feeds for itik.

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Ang crude protein content ng darak, type D1 at binlid (broken rice) is ranging from 8-11%.

While for meat of kuhol (laman sa loob) is as high as 65%. Ang shell nito is good source of calcium kaya ang itlog ng itik ay makakapal ang balat.

I think kailangan lang iprocess ang kuhol by simple drying and milling so that you can extend the shelf life of the mixture.

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sir ross dela cruz follow up question tungkol sa kuhol. pati po b ang intestine nang kuhol ay ipakain din? may mga alaga kasi akong manok. ang kinakain nila ay yung paa lng nang kuhol.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

Ang crude protein content ng darak, type D1 at binlid (broken rice) is ranging from 8-11%.

While for meat of kuhol (laman sa loob) is as high as 65%. Ang shell nito is good source of calcium kaya ang itlog ng itik ay makakapal ang balat.

I think kailangan lang iprocess ang kuhol by simple drying and milling so that you can extend the shelf life of the mixture.

Thanks Ross.....

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

warewolf,

You may consider copra meal/cake, it has crude protein content of 19-21%. At present, cost per kg is around P6.50 (pick up in Nagcarlan, Laguna). It is available all the time. It is a good source of protein at low price.

Thank you

sir may nabili na akong copra meal/cake 7.30kilo d2 sa bulacan. maari po bang makapagrecommend kayo ng amount or proportion ng copra meal i could give sa feed mixture 4 turkey and ducks. thanks!