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Gud day,
May kaunting kambing ako, gusto ko silang pakainin ng feeds kaso ayaw nilang tumikim, ano po ba gagawin ko? Paano ko ba sila maatract na kumain ng mga feeds? Ano po bang klasing feeds ang dapat kong ipakain sa kanila. Salamat po

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parang mas mapapamahal kayo na pakainin ng feeds ang kambing....parang mas mura ang damo.

sa baka umuubra ang "force-feeding" technique kasi malaki ang inilalaki nila kung susuplementan ng "special" na feeds para sa baka.

wala pa po akong nakikita/nababasa na ginawa iyun sa kambing.

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jelt wrote:

Gud day,
May kaunting kambing ako, gusto ko silang pakainin ng feeds kaso ayaw nilang tumikim, ano po ba gagawin ko? Paano ko ba sila maatract na kumain ng mga feeds? Ano po bang klasing feeds ang dapat kong ipakain sa kanila. Salamat po

PAINT IT GREEN!! :D

impossible is nothing... it just cost more!!!  big_smile

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un ho bang casava need pa i-grind or pwede na cut into bite pcs lang then ferment before ipakain sa baboy

merry xmass..


andjoz wrote:

This andry Lim from Davao. We have a seminar schedule:
September 13,2008 saturday 8:00am to 5:00pm
organized by galing pilipino movement
venue: Chowking pioneer mandaluyong city
please call: 6331089 please look for corrie

am session:
how to make inputs include Indigenous Microorganism (IMO), Fermented Plant Juice (FPJ), Oriental Herbal Nutrient (OHN), Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB), Fish Amino Acid (LAB), Water-soluble Calcium (WCA), Water-soluble Calcium Phosphate (WCP), and Insect Attractant (IA). imo5 basal fertilizers
pm session: application,seed and seedling treatments, soil management, natural farming piggery the house and the beddings.

All produced at home easily and cheaply. Most importantly, they work!

_______________________________________
natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.
Here's the recipe we teach, then later on you can design your own feed formulation. First you have to plant first the legumes (rensonii, indigofera, tricantera gigantea or madre de agua) and vegetable plants. Remember our baboy is a vegetarian)

Formula for IMO Pig Food
Ratio: 100 parts plant material / 4 parts sugar / 1 part salt

·    Obtain edible plant material (any quantity). Examples include water spinach (kangkong), fresh grasses, banana stems, etc. Consult with locals for ideas for local, native options.
·    Chop plant material into bite sized pieces, mix with sugar and salt, place in plastic or ceramic bucket.
·    Cover with PLASTIC sheet and tie in place. This is an anaerobic process that pickles the material.
·    Food is ready to feed in 5-7 days. It will have a good smell and sour taste. pag mabaho ibig sabihin hindi mo natangalan ng lupa. kaya dapat wash and dry or ipagpag. basta make sure walang lupa. madaling mapanis.
·    Can use this food for up to 50% of the ration.
Example pig ration from Thailand and what we are using today in our farm. Because we plant a lot of legumes and vegetables kaya hindi na kami gumagamit ng commercial feeds 100% natural feeds ang pakain namin.

50% IMO food (recipe above)
25% rice bran D1
25% commercial pig food
Add water to make a slop. FFJ (papaya or tundan saging/ FPJ banana trunk.

Pigs should reach market weight in 3-4 months.

Tips:
Introduce new food in small quantity and increase % over time.
Use at least 2 containers for IMO food production. Feed from one container while you fill the other and wait for it to pickle. From this recipe pwede ka ng gumawa ng sarili feed formulation according sa material na available. we put coconut charcoal to our pigs they love it! Hope this will help you reduced your cost feeds.

andry lim

_______________________________________
natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.

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Mga bosing patulong po. Nakabili ako 2 bagger Mixer gusto ko po sana maghalo nang sarili ko Feeds. I want to start it sa Pre-starter at starter para sa aking piggery sa Alfonso Cavite..... I NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE

BABOY BABOY BABOY,
ang buhay at pagasa ay nasa
BABOY BABOY BABOY

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rencyvgal wrote:

Mga bosing patulong po. Nakabili ako 2 bagger Mixer gusto ko po sana maghalo nang sarili ko Feeds. I want to start it sa Pre-starter at starter para sa aking piggery sa Alfonso Cavite..... I NEED SOME ADVICE PLEASE

kelangan mo ng feed formula sir at raw mats..

NO FARM, NO FOOD....

Masarap ang Mabaho.. Durian, Baboy at iba pa.. hehehe

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mga kabayan im residing here in italy gusto lang po sanang magtanong kung saan pwding bumili ng libro abt basic feed formulation,at saka livestock production para naman may mabasa po ako during my day off matatagpuan po ba ang mga librong ito about agriculture sa normal na national bookstore, paki e mail naman po sa tagarizalian@yahoo.com marami pong salamat.

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nagtatanong lng po. yun bang sapal nang taho ang soya meal? marami po kasing taho factory samin tinatapon lng

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hindi po. ung soya meal ay ung giniling sa soya po mismo.

sa tao ang gawa, sa dyos ang awa
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
sa Foster ang sasa, sa grower ang dusa

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so wla po bang makukuhang nutritional value yung waste sa taho? dba yung darak or tahop ai waste din nang corn at yung pollard naman ay waste din nang rice at yung bagaso ay waste nang beer.

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meron din po kahit na papaano. but di po me familiar dun sir.
si sir erwinmelo po cguro makakasgot sa inyong patungkol dyan.

sa tao ang gawa, sa dyos ang awa
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
sa Foster ang sasa, sa grower ang dusa

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sir erwinmelo sana masagot mo nman yung tanong ko tungkol kung ano2x ang mga nutritionla value na makukuha sa ating mga alaga sa waste nang taho. salamat

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hi, alam ko po fiber at may protein pa din po kasi di naman 100% nai-extract sa taho. Kung kelangan nyo ho, nagsusupply po ako soya pulp. please contact me at 0922-8337177 if interested. thanks.

Twin Tigers Enterprises Cabuyao Laguna (049) 508-4422, 0922-8337177

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its better pa analize nyo. then hanap kayo ng nutritionist para ma incorporate ito sa feed fromulation nyo. very scientific and technical kc ang feed formulation. but if you want to try it we're always here para antayin ang outcome ng trial nyo. parang may nag post na dati tungkol dyan and the out come eh di kagandahan po.

sa tao ang gawa, sa dyos ang awa
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
sa Foster ang sasa, sa grower ang dusa

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Ganun po b. sayang kasi tinatapon lng ang mga waste sa taho atsaka balde2x pa ang dami. kung tao nga lumalaki ang katawan sa pag inom nang taho hayop pa kaya. anyway, try ko po gawin yung advice nyo. hahanap muna ako nang nutritionist. magkano nman kaya ang bayad pag nagpa analyze?

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Good day to everyone.....  We are selling Tricaphos, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE one of the main ingredients in the production of Animal Feeds. Pls. email or text me at vincentrubi@yahoo.com   or +639063324666.

Mr. Vincent Robin Castaños

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seleopoldo wrote:

try ko, baka pwede din ako help magformulate na chicken layer feed in particular sa inyo. but tama si pigsfriend kailangan ko din malaman and availability ng raw material sa lugar nyo at yong prices, say per kilo. Raw material like corn, soya, rice bran D1, limestone or Crush Oyster shell, molasses, fish meal , copra meal, raw coco oil (local or imported) etc. importante ito malaman para ma compare and mix feeds price per kilo without sacrificing the requirement layer feed

paki enclosed na lang po email address nyo.

Thanks.

Sir Seleopoldo,

What about duck feed po? Pwede po ba ninyo kami matulungan na mabigyan ng formula? Email address po is cescil0808@yahoo.com


Thanks po.

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SvvGuano wrote:

Good day to everyone.....  We are selling Tricaphos, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE one of the main ingredients in the production of Animal Feeds. Pls. email or text me at vincentrubi@yahoo.com   or +639063324666.

Mr. Vincent Robin Castaños

sir sino outlet nyo sa gensan? please post ang analysis sir.. or email sakin ang details price and minimum order.. baka kaya namin.... jettro97@yahoo.com .. thanks

NO FARM, NO FOOD....

Masarap ang Mabaho.. Durian, Baboy at iba pa.. hehehe

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pwd koba sir malaman ang pricelist ng bmeg pstarter, starter and grower feeds para makapagplano ako sa business ko? salamat

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I think ang pagextract ng soya milk for taho making ay di masyado sophisticated compared with oil extraction of soya oil using solvent (hexane).

Soya seeds ay ginigiling then pakukuluan sa tubig then sasalain sa katsa ang soya milk at pagpipiga ng pulp is mano mano lamang (by hand). Kung mano mano ang pressure ng kamay ay wala pang 5psi vs. sophisticated expeller na 5000 psi.

For soya oil extraction, high tech expeller is used that has 5000 psi then residual oil from expeller of around 5-8% is further extracted using solvent (hexane) at high temperature.

By just comparing the pressure by hand (mano-mano) of 5 psi and expeller of 5000 psi, it is clearly evident that not all nutritional values in soya pulp (taho making) are remove.

Also, in soya oil extraction, it is subjected to high temperature (steam boiler) vs. tao making of only boiling point of water. Just imagine kung magpapalambot ka ng karne in pressure cooker vs. pakukuluan lamang. Kung pressure cooker ang karne ng baboy will be okay in just 8-10 minutes vs. ordinary cooking that will take about one hour.

If you subjected soya to high temperature of 400 degree C, protein content would definitely be altered or lost during the process.

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salamat sa inyong explanation mr. ross dela cruz. tumaba nman at lumalaki ang aking alaga gamit ko lng yung soya pulp. ano po ma advice nya pra ma maximize ko yung protein content sa soya pulp at kung ano ang pwed kong e-mix sa soya pulp pra mas mabilis lumaki alaga ko. ang pakain ko kasi 50% soya pulp - 50% scrumble

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I have also used pulp of taho for my piggery but my problem then is transporting them to the province. It has high moisture content and it should be used immediately. Because of its high MC, mabilis dumami ang amag which is detrimental to the health of pigs.

As much as possible, use local available feedstuff. There should a balance energy and protein content in your mix.

I posted the step by step process how to calculate crude protein content and metabolized energy.

If you can attain 75 - 90 kg average liveweight for 4 months growing period, that is good enough.

63 (edited by Ross dela Cruz Aug 04 2009 18:50:48)

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I think somebody mentioned the nutritional value of cassava meal and compared it with yellow corn.

Firstly, let me clarify that cassava meal with crude protein content (CP) of 2.8%, fat of 1.2%, and metabolized energy (ME) of 3000 k/cal is a by-product of cassava flour milling. Yellow corn with CP of 8.8% and ME of 3300 k/cal is still in its original form. It undergone only to drying process.

Fresh cassava after drying process has the following chemical composition:
                         
                          In %
Moisture content  7.2 - 10.5
Sugar                 1.88 - 2.75
Starch               86.9 - 94.75
Carbohydrate     89.7 - 97.3
Amylase            22.9 - 24.3
Protein                0.23 - 0.26
Fat                     0.12 - 0.25

Supposed extraction efficiency rate of cassava flour miller is around 90%, what will be left in the by-product or cassava meal will be around around 8.6 - 9.4% for starch and 8.9 - 9.7% for carbohydrate. If cassava has undergone into simple drying process, it will retain all the nutrients present in fresh tuber.

The ME of cassava may be more than 3000k/cal. By extrapolation, my calculation of ME in dried cassava is as follows:

Cassava meal
     Starch              9.0:3000
     Carbohydrate    9.3:3000

Dried cassava:
      Starch             90.7:  ?
      Carbohydrate   93.5:  ?

Starch: 9.0:3000:90.7:  ?
           90.7 x 3000/9= 30233

Carbohydrate:  9.3:3000:93.5:  ?
                      93.5 x 3000/9.3 = 30161

Perhaps it is time for the government agencies concerned to look seriously on the nutritional value of cassava tuber. Backyard raisers need this kind of information in order for them to survive.

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sir ross gud am ,pwede po malaman ang nutritional vaue ng white corn,corn tahop at corn tiktik,at copra meal kaylanagan ko po kasi para sa pag mix ko po ng feeds sa baboy...taga davao po ako...
thank u po

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Pls see below the nutritional facts on the following:

Feed           CP %      Fat %     Fiber %       Calcium  Avail. P   Met. Energy  Lysine

Copra meal  21.0      4.5           12.3               0.17    0.20      3000          0.53
Corn,white     8.6       4.0            2.2               0.02    0.10      3340          0.26
Corn, yellow   8.8       3.9            2.7               0.04    0.10      3300          0.24
Corn bran      9.4       4.0            2.8               0.04    0.31      2800          0.18
Corn gluten meal 42.0 2.0           4.0               0.16    0.40      3069          0.96

Source:"Primer on Pork Production" by Valentino G. Arganosa

Corn gluten meal is a by-product of oil extraction (corn oil). Di ko alam ang corn tiktik? Ano sa English ang tawag dito. Di kaya broken corn or corn grits? In corn milling yung small particles ay corn grits ang tawag, yung pulbos na pinagkaskasan ng whole grain corn (first pass) ay tahop, equivalent ng tahop in rice milling is darak?

I hope the above info will assist you in your feed formulation.

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sorry for the very late reply

merun naman makukuha... pero it would likely be not good for young animals.  grower, finishers and "probably" even breeders can likely use it.

unfortunately, I think they use limestone in the production process ng taho... as such consider the probability that calcium of that material could be high.

secondly, it would be better if dry material siya because it can produce mold in storage.

taho contains the bulk of the good proteins... the sapal are the left overs... whether it can be used in high quantity in pigs is something I have yet to know.

if you are to use it, I would suggest to start with about 5% of the body weight of the animal per day muna.  So a 30kg pig can be fed with about 1.5kg of the taho sapal per day.

then observe.... possible complications - parakeratosis (I suspect this because of the possible calcium level of the sapal) or they would off-feed.

i also agree with ross dela cruz point of view...

bananaman007 wrote:

nagtatanong lng po. yun bang sapal nang taho ang soya meal? marami po kasing taho factory samin tinatapon lng

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

I think somebody mentioned the nutritional value of cassava meal and compared it with yellow corn.

Firstly, let me clarify that cassava meal with crude protein content (CP) of 2.8%, fat of 1.2%, and metabolized energy (ME) of 3000 k/cal is a by-product of cassava flour milling....

actually there are what we call tapioca meal (aka cassava meal) that ARE NOT BY-PRODUCT of cassava flour milling.

very common ito sa thailand at norther mindanao. 

this cassava meal is high in starch, low in protein (almost negligible) and sometimes low in fiber (yung thailand made usually).

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tnx po sir irwin melo sa yung kasagutan. matagal nga po bago nyo nasagot yung tanong ko. noong nagtanong ako nyan biik pa yung alaga ko ngayon wla na nabenta ko na.hehehehe. after 3 months tumimbang po nang 70kilos. pro ang ration ko ay 2:1 nang soya pulp at Bmeg.

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bananaman,

Try mo na ang rearing period for your fattener is 4 months bago mo ibenta using your basic feed na 2 parts soya pulp and 1 part Bmeg.

Kung ang feed conversion ratio (FCR) mo is 3.2x, meaning sa bawat 3.2 kg na ipapakain mo ang weight gain is 1 kg baka mas malaki pa ang kikitain mo. Say average cost of feed is P15/kg x 3.2 = P48. At FCR of 3.2x, yung weight gain na one (1) will give P86/kg, liveweight farm gate price. Say,  kung pinatagal mo ng one month pa (30 days) at feed consumption of 2.5 kg per day = 75 kg x 15 = P1,125. At FCR of 3.2 will give you additional weight gain of 23 kg (75/3.2). At liveweight farm gate price of P86/kg = P1,978 - 1,125 = P853, net gain.

Try to maximize your profit because you have cost advantage in your basic feed.

Kaya lang baka ang nagtitinda ng karne sa lugar ninyo prefer na 70 kg lamang. Kasi pagka 90 and over baka di kaya maipaubos ang karne within the day.

Ang buyer ko kasi dito sa lugar namin, prefer 90 kg and up dahil minus gastos sa katay, per ulo kasi ang basehan ng bayad sa katay. At kaya niya maibenta ang karne.

If you are referring to cassava flour known in the market today, it is "Matling Cassava/Tapioca" na gawa sa Lanao. Ang baggaso o sapal ng flour milling operation is what is known as cassava meal. Di ko lang alam how intensive ang gamit ng cassava meal ng mga livestock raisers in Cagayan de Oro/Iligan area.

Thailand is an exporter of broilers (chicken) to Japan and other places because of their cost advantage. Thailanaders are using cassava meal intensively in the livestock industry.

PI, ngek! ngek!!!!! most common complain of livestock raisers is mataas ang presyo ng imported yellow corn kaya mataas ang cost of animal feeds. Just look around, nasa likod lang ng bakuran natin ang puwede gamitin sa animal feeds. As an example:

Imported soya bean meal  = malunggay kernel (seeds)
Imported yellow corn          = tapioca/cassava meal
Impoted pollard/wheat       = rice bran

Kung gusto mo makatipid sa gastos sa preparation:

drying process                    = fermentation process

Kung gastos naman sa housing facilities:

Cemented flooring             = deep bedding using local stuff (rice hull, rice straw, etc)

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seleopoldo wrote:

try ko, baka pwede din ako help magformulate na chicken layer feed in particular sa inyo. but tama si pigsfriend kailangan ko din malaman and availability ng raw material sa lugar nyo at yong prices, say per kilo. Raw material like corn, soya, rice bran D1, limestone or Crush Oyster shell, molasses, fish meal , copra meal, raw coco oil (local or imported) etc. importante ito malaman para ma compare and mix feeds price per kilo without sacrificing the requirement layer feed

paki enclosed na lang po email address nyo.

Thanks.


sir,

pwede po pa help pa formulate ng feeds for pre-starter, starter, grower,finisher, lactating and gestating : below are the available raw mat here in my place.


mais
rice bran
cassava
banana
mollasses
sugarcane (dulo may dahon)
salt
kuhol
ipil ipil
malunggay (dahon at buto)
papaya
coconut
monggo

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marami pa po kayong kulang na ingredients to make your own feeds...

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irwinmelo wrote:

marami pa po kayong kulang na ingredients to make your own feeds...


sir irwinmelo,

ano ano pa po?kailangan ko po ba bilhin ang mga kulang sa sa vet. supply?
marami rin po ditong niyog na nahuhulog lang sa puno at saka gabi po na tumutubo lang sa ilog na pwedeng kong kunin, at saka mayroon din pong gabi na malalaki ang dahon paran payong kalaki at saka ang laman parang ulo kalaki. sa palagay nyo po pwede ba ito ipakain. sayang kasi, di napapakinabangan.

maraming salamat po sa lahat ng tulong.

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cheguevara,

There were several feeding trials done in  Vietnam, Myanmar, Nigeria, other African countries, etc. using "Taro" or locally known as gabi. Gabi's nutritional value is amazing!! Its starch particles are smaller than rice which make it highly digestible. Try to search in the internet, there were several studies done and the final conclusion is: it is superior in nutritional value than yellow corn.

Using the Fermented Plan Juice process and using the locally available raw material such as the following:

malunggay, ipil-ipil           = source of protein
gabi leaves or tuber          = source of starch and calcium
Banana stem                   = source of phospuros
Succulent (cactus, agave)  = source of fat

Almost all domesticated animals (pig, cow, goat, duck, chicken) ay damo/plants ang normal na kinakain in their natural environment.

Ang mga carnivorous na animal ay mga tigre, lion, chetaa, ahas, buwaya, etc.

Ang "Mad Cow Disease" ay na trace sa feedstuff na ipinakakain sa baka which is meat and bone meal at ang source nito ay mga namatay na baka rin. If we are going to deviate from natural way of life, we may soon realize that it is too late.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

cheguevara,

There were several feeding trials done in  Vietnam, Myanmar, Nigeria, other African countries, etc. using "Taro" or locally known as gabi. Gabi's nutritional value is amazing!! Its starch particles are smaller than rice which make it highly digestible. Try to search in the internet, there were several studies done and the final conclusion is: it is superior in nutritional value than yellow corn.

Using the Fermented Plan Juice process and using the locally available raw material such as the following:

malunggay, ipil-ipil           = source of protein
gabi leaves or tuber          = source of starch and calcium
Banana stem                   = source of phospuros
Succulent (cactus, agave)  = source of fat

Almost all domesticated animals (pig, cow, goat, duck, chicken) ay damo/plants ang normal na kinakain in their natural environment.

Ang mga carnivorous na animal ay mga tigre, lion, chetaa, ahas, buwaya, etc.

Ang "Mad Cow Disease" ay na trace sa feedstuff na ipinakakain sa baka which is meat and bone meal at ang source nito ay mga namatay na baka rin. If we are going to deviate from natural way of life, we may soon realize that it is too late.


sir ross,sir irwin at sa lahat ng marunong magmix::

in case po na I will mix the following source raw mats below, can you please help to give me the correct proprtion/mix percentage para magamit ko po sa mga fatteners ko the most effective way:

rice bran
banana
golden kuhol
ipil ipil leaves
malungay
cuconut
mollases


maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat na di madamot sa kaalaman.

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sir ross, dba po makati ang gabi? hinde kaya magka galis ang alaga natin?

76 (edited by Ross dela Cruz Sep 21 2009 09:05:59)

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bananaman,

Yes makati ang dahon ng gabi even the tuber because it is high in certain chemical. However, by drying or cooking or by fermentation you would be able to remove this itchy causing chemical. The safest process will be fermentation then drying solid fermentation mash.

The same method when you prepare ginataan na laing, you dry first the leaves before cooking. Yung nabibili sa palengke na dahon ng laing or gabi ay pinatuyo na.

Golden kuhol, there is certain poisonous chemical which is normal in almost all species of snail. Again, the safest method of preparation is fermentation then drying the solid fermentation mash.

cheguevara,

I suggest the fermentation process will be the safest way when preparing your basic feed mix. It is proven already and those who have experience and who are active in this forum would attest to its effectiveness and definitely it has cost advantage. Please visit the Phil Organic Farming section, there are sufficient reading materials available there.

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Ross dela Cruz wrote:

bananaman,

Yes makati ang dahon ng gabi even the tuber because it is high in certain chemical. However, by drying or cooking or by fermentation you would be able to remove this itchy causing chemical. The safest process will be fermentation then drying solid fermentation mash.

The same method when you prepare ginataan na laing, you dry first the leaves before cooking. Yung nabibili sa palengke na dahon ng laing or gabi ay pinatuyo na.

Golden kuhol, there is certain poisonous chemical which is normal in almost all species of snail. Again, the safest method of preparation is fermentation then drying the solid fermentation mash.

cheguevara,

I suggest the fermentation process will be the safest way when preparing your basic feed mix. It is proven already and those who have experience and who are active in this forum would attest to its effectiveness and definitely it has cost advantage. Please visit the Phil Organic Farming section, there are sufficient reading materials available there.


thanks a lot sir ross, mabuhay po kayo.

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galing talaga yang c sir ross, totoo and hindi bias kung magbigay nang advice. nag ferment na ako nang rice wash sir. this monday mag lalagay na ako nang 10 cups milk

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bananaman007 wrote:

galing talaga yang c sir ross, totoo and hindi bias kung magbigay nang advice. nag ferment na ako nang rice wash sir. this monday mag lalagay na ako nang 10 cups milk

Oo nga, sana dumami pa ang katulad mo sir Ross, na handa magshare ng knowledge at tumulong...mabuhay po kayo

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kumandante che,

pls chk your yahoo email